Enola Gay Damaged at Air & Space Museum Opening

"Rob Perkins" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:46 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

the Enola Gay -- beautifully refurbished and now
on display at the new Udvar-Hazy facility of the National Air & Space
Museum -- was damaged by some nut case from Ohio who threw something at
the
plane and dented it during a protest against the atomic bombing of Japan.

He was protesting something that happened three generations ago?

Aren't protests usually more effective if they're done *before* an
event takes place?

Didn't have any effect here last winter.

-- David Brooks

Monty, there have been times where I read or watch the news where some
handwringing revisionist is wailing about how bad the USA was/is against the
helpless, peaceable, japanese and I have that great longing for a time
travel machine so that I could simply pop them back to a japanese pow camp
on Batann the day before the death march began... Seems fair to me...

Denny
"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Mike Rapoport" wrote)
Just make him pay for the damage.


I'm going more with A Clockwork Orange type "teachable moment" here.

Open his eyes, so to speak, to over 10 years of brutal Japanese military
aggression. At times, the Japanese made the Nazis look like Boy Scouts.

That nonsense needed to stop. After the bomb(s) were dropped - it stopped.

Much like the (1971) movie, I don't see plan A working out so well. So
yes,
I support your plan B - just make him pay for the damage.

--
Montblack
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A *unique* hunk o tin it is, however. The 'tool' IS the history. ONE
airplane was able to do that amount of damage - unprecendented. The
B-29 itself was the most technologically advanced machine of its day.

To repeat what should not require repeating: 1. War sucks. If you
have to do it, make it hard and fast, and get it over with. 2. Fewer
civilians died at Hiroshima than in the fire-bombing of Tokyo or
Dresden, or in the Japanese depredations in China. 3. The use of the
Bomb saved millions of Japanese and American lives that would have
been needlessly lost had the US been forced to invade.

It's a shame that NASM doesn't have a B-36 - an airplane based on the
same technology, but so big that it makes a B-29 look like a kid's tin
toy. The "Peacemaker" never dropped a bomb in anger - it scared the
Soviets out of starting anything stupid in the dark days of the early
Cold War. I'm looking forward to finally getting out to Wright-Pat
and seeing the one they have there.


"plumb bob" wrote in message news:N7kEb.423166$ao4.1358042@attbi_s51...
It's just a chunk of metal... that was used to kill much more than 3,000
innocent civilians - I believe we would call it state sponsored terrorism
these days. Why should we celebrate and adore a killing machine like that -
regardless of the circumstances? Just get it patched up and move on, really.
The history is far more important than the tool.

That should get things started around here :-)


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:GKjEb.593526$Fm2.545217@attbi_s04...
I'm surprised no one has brought up this travesty.

For those who don't know, the Enola Gay -- beautifully refurbished and now
on display at the new Udvar-Hazy facility of the National Air & Space
Museum -- was damaged by some nut case from Ohio who threw something at
the
plane and dented it during a protest against the atomic bombing of Japan.

If it were up to me, a life sentence without hope of parole would be too
good for this jerk. To damage an irreplaceable aircraft, and a piece of
history, is absolutely unconscionable.

Margy, how bad is it?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:GKjEb.593526$Fm2.545217@attbi_s04...
I'm surprised no one has brought up this travesty.

For those who don't know, the Enola Gay -- beautifully refurbished and now
on display at the new Udvar-Hazy facility of the National Air & Space
Museum -- was damaged by some nut case from Ohio who threw something at the
plane and dented it during a protest against the atomic bombing of Japan.

If it were up to me, a life sentence without hope of parole would be too
good for this jerk. To damage an irreplaceable aircraft, and a piece of
history, is absolutely unconscionable.

Margy, how bad is it?


Would you react the same way if a refurbished Boeing 767 and a model
of the world trade center was on display at the Afghan museum of
history? Although the Hiroshima bombing was necessary to end the war,
it is not something we should be proud of and display at a national
museum.

"Andy News" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:GKjEb.593526$Fm2.545217@attbi_s04...
I'm surprised no one has brought up this travesty.

For those who don't know, the Enola Gay -- beautifully refurbished and
now
on display at the new Udvar-Hazy facility of the National Air & Space
Museum -- was damaged by some nut case from Ohio who threw something at
the
plane and dented it during a protest against the atomic bombing of
Japan.

If it were up to me, a life sentence without hope of parole would be too
good for this jerk. To damage an irreplaceable aircraft, and a piece of
history, is absolutely unconscionable.

Margy, how bad is it?


Would you react the same way if a refurbished Boeing 767 and a model
of the world trade center was on display at the Afghan museum of
history? Although the Hiroshima bombing was necessary to end the war,
it is not something we should be proud of and display at a national
museum.

Except that we are proud of it and what it did to end the war. Why should
we not be proud of it? The Japs started the war and when we developed the
technology to end it we did. It is a part of our proud history. If someone
doesn't like the display the simple solution is............don't go to the
museum.

And why not? Plenty of Japanese go visit the USS Arizona.

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)




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In article , Dylan Smith
wrote:

Thinking selfishly, it's a chunk of metal that probably saved my life.
Or allowed me to exist in the first place.

It probably saved my father's life as well (and several uncles).

--
Bob Noel

"John T" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message


(3,000 people, huh? You're more than a little bit off. nOr are you
saying that only 3,000 of the Hiroshima dead were innocent? See
www.warbirdforum.com/hirodead.htm )

No, he's linking the WTC atrocity (~3,000 dead) with Hiroshima.

Personally, I think you guys are just feeding a troll.

You win the prize... I am trolling. For those with a keen eye it should have
been obvious. BTW, I think the bombing of Hiroshima was absolutely necessary
to end the war, even though innocent civilians were killed. Not to mention
the carpet bombing of civilian cities in Europe (Dresden was pretty bad) to
weaken the resolve of the bad guys.

For the rest of you, get off your moral high horses. War is a dirty
business. Think about that for a change. Think about the millions of
soldiers who fought and won that war, and then go visit D.C. to find their
memorials. It is very disappointing that that generation is not properly
honored and remembered in my opinion. And you want to get upset that someone
dented the Enola Gay???

-- Plumb Bob (straight up, hold the politically correct speech)

("Andy News" wrote)
Would you react the same way if a refurbished Boeing 767 and a model
of the world trade center was on display at the Afghan museum of
history? Although the Hiroshima bombing was necessary to end the war,
it is not something we should be proud of and display at a national
museum.


If those models(?) were at an Afghan museum, that would be fine by me.

I'd like to see the exhibit room set up as a 25 year timeline. The beginning
part of the timeline would start as a wide line on the floor, then it would
go up the wall, cuts across the corner of the ceiling, then comes back down
a different wall, and back onto the floor - stopping (painted like an giant
arrow) in front of a door marked, "Tomorrow in Afghanistan." Something fun
like that for the kids. :-)

If museums should only display things of national pride, where do we put the
Civil Rights exhibit from the Birmingham Alabama museum? How about American
Indian
artifacts and history? I say we leave out all references to Indians from
about ...maybe ...1825 on.

The Enola Gay is history. Sputnik is history. Lindbergh's plane is history.
A Jap Zero is history, An Me-262 is history.

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

Dylan Smith wrote:

My dad's father was shortly to be sent to the Pacific in the Royal Navy
had the war not ended (Britain would have gone to help out in the
Pacific theatre had Japan not surrendered).

My father's division was being readied for transport to the Pacific for the
invasion when the atomic bombs were dropped. I also would probably not have been
born if we had had to invade.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."