NY incident :-(

Just heard on the news that the pilot served time in prison for murder about
ten or so years ago.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Marco Leon" mleon(at)optonline.net wrote in message news:3ff03473

....The plane is tied down 10 spots away
from mine at Republic Airport in NY.

Drop over some time and strike up a conversation. I'd love to know if
this
guy is as much of a nimrod as this flight would seem to indicate.

JG

"John Gaquin" wrote in message

....I'd love to know if this
guy is as much of a nimrod as this flight would seem to indicate.

WELL!!! "Fat Richie Meatloaf", indeed! Shoot a guy in the head over a
small time dope deal.

That's exactly how much of a nimrod this guy is.

There was a report about it last night on the evening news. What I found
most interesting about the newscaster's coverage was her "Shock and Awe" at
the fact that he flew around the Statue of Liberty!

After all, it's probably the only part of his trip that was legal (assuming
he was down at 500').



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http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm
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"Judah" wrote in message ...
There was a report about it last night on the evening news. What I found
most interesting about the newscaster's coverage was her "Shock and Awe" at
the fact that he flew around the Statue of Liberty!

After all, it's probably the only part of his trip that was legal (assuming
he was down at 500').

Yep, and not going to endanger anyone since the anti-terror tofuheads have
had the thing closed to tourists.

"Rosspilot" wrote in message ...
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Other than the "demonstrating holes in NY anti-terror precautions" it actually
isn't too bad of an article.

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
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SIGH!!!
I don't know what binLaden's long term objective is, but he must be sitting
in his cave laughing his ass off at how much he got the US to chase it's
tail.

Off the top of their head I bet most terrorists could think of 10 ways to
commit their foul acts and each one would be a clean "end-run". It's said
the old Baader-Meinhof gang and Red Brigades succeeded beyond their wildest
expectations in moving the somewhat freer nations strongly towards the
fascism they (B-M, RB's) wished to impose.

Rosspilot wrote:

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm


Oddly, I'd no problems in the same neighborhood just a few hours later:

http://www.gideon.org/andrew/PhotoAl...ying/Hudson/3/

This was down the Hudson at 1500, left turn over Midtown, right turn down
the East River, around Battery Park and then back up the Hudson. I didn't
even know about this incursion into the class B until I read the USENET
post to which I'm replying.

But the statements like "a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting
capability" and "the issue of flying near major landmarks should be
revisited" have me quite concerned that I won't be able to make this trip
much longer.

Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for
Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his
intentions?

- Andrew

Who knows what really happened but one scenario could be that he was already
well on his way down the East River before they were able to contact him on
one of the common frequencies (123.075 or 123.05 for East and Hudson
respectively). When they did contact him, they may have only informed him of
the airspace incursion and not told him he was in deep doo doo. A reply of,
"Roger, I'm enroute back to FRG" would seem reasonable. Since he was already
heading south and not thinking he was in trouble, he may have just done what
he intended to do and circle the Lady. According to the various articles, he
was not intercepted until the Verrazano Bridge so he may have thought the
call was just a slap on the wrist until then.

Keep in mind, this is TOTAL speculation on my part.

I agree with you on the newsmedia sensationalism affecting GA. That's part
of the reason why people join AOPA isn't it?

Marco


"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Rosspilot wrote:

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm


Oddly, I'd no problems in the same neighborhood just a few hours later:

http://www.gideon.org/andrew/PhotoAl...ying/Hudson/3/

This was down the Hudson at 1500, left turn over Midtown, right turn down
the East River, around Battery Park and then back up the Hudson. I didn't
even know about this incursion into the class B until I read the USENET
post to which I'm replying.

But the statements like "a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting
capability" and "the issue of flying near major landmarks should be
revisited" have me quite concerned that I won't be able to make this trip
much longer.

Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for
Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his
intentions?

- Andrew




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Andrew Gideon wrote:

Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for
Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his
intentions?

Hmm. The NYTimes article was *very* different from that of the Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/nyregion/29PLAN.html

For example:

At 1:45 p.m. yesterday, the small plane was flying below 1,000
feet when it crossed south over the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge and
passed through La Guardia's airspace, Mr. Peters said. Air
traffic controllers at La Guardia tried to contact the pilot,
but were unsuccessful, Mr. Peters said.

But the Post article said:

Langone said that once he was over the East River, he received
a radio call telling him he'd entered La Guardia airspace.

He answered that he was heading back to Republic, but after passing
the Brooklyn Bridge and heading for the harbor, he decided to first
take a sightseeing loop around the Statue of Liberty.

Who reached him, if Laguardia didn't?

- Andrew

I passed through the Hudson corridor with my wife maybe 15 minutes before
that guy...


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