comments?

Don't worry. If we could get Al Qaeda to watch our TV news, their IQs would
so decline that they'd no longer be able to find the US on a map.


The US is on a map?

Jose

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Watch yer grammer:

"We are on a map?"
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(Teacherjh) wrote in
:


Don't worry. If we could get Al Qaeda to watch our TV news, their IQs
would so decline that they'd no longer be able to find the US on a map.


The US is on a map?

Jose

--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

Watch yer grammer:

"We are on a map?"
^^^^^^

(Teacherjh) wrote in
:


Don't worry. If we could get Al Qaeda to watch our TV news, their IQs
would so decline that they'd no longer be able to find the US on a map.


The US is on a map?


Us are on a map? The U.S. are on a map? How many are we? Is the bellboy a
member of your family?

Say what you will about these guys, but I would not underestimate them. It
is rather likely they have thought about it a long time ago.


"Harry Gordon" wrote in message
...
Why? Why is it necessary to use this forum to discuss alternatives that
terrorist can use to destroy what they will? Doesn't the news folks do a
good enough job of telling these individuals our weaknesses? Aren't there
enough people already making enough suggestions?

I'm sorry. I'm just getting really tired of turning on TV or the radio and
the first item in the news is a story for the terrorist on how they might
consider an attack. And now, "we" are going to take it a step further
with
more ideas. Why? I wonder how many terrorist read this and other
"informative" newsgroups and listen to CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN,
etc.....???

Harry
PP-ASEL

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...

http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/qnd...get=URBANG.HTM

excerpt:

While passenger aircraft are now pretty secure, the same is not the
case
for
commercial freighters and private aircraft. It is quite possible that a
smaller
aircraft, or long range transports from foreign nations, could be used
for
suicide attacks. This scenario has terrorists renting a small two engine
aircraft (like the Piper Aztec or Cessna Businessliner) and flying off
to
any
target within several hundred miles. These aircraft rent for about $250
an
hour
(with a 3-4 hour minimum). They have a cargo capacity of about half a
ton,
and
that could be filled with explosives. This would give the terrorists the
equivalent of an American cruise missile (which has a one ton warhead.)
These
aircraft have a maximum take off weight of about three tons and only
carry
about 500 pounds of fuel. Probably would not bring down a large
skyscraper, but
would do a lot of damage to the White House or most other government
buildings
in Washington. You can buy these aircraft second hand for $200-300,000.


I hate stuff like this, but I think it's better to toss it out there and
shine
light on it than stick my head in the sand and pretend it isn't there.





www.Rosspilot.com

In article
, Harry
Gordon wrote:

Why? Why is it necessary to use this forum to discuss alternatives that
terrorist can use to destroy what they will? Doesn't the news folks do a
good enough job of telling these individuals our weaknesses? Aren't there
enough people already making enough suggestions?

Dear Harry,
I am saddened to read that you are deluded in believing that the
federal government of the United States is actually concerned about
protecting the people of the United States.

Alas, the elected officials and bureaucrats are only concerned with
spending the peoples money on useless, high publicity value, contracts
that will get them political favors, campaign contributions and
reelected by the majority, stupid, uninformed electorate.

It's politics, not reality.

Think about it... how many politicians, bureaucrats government
employees went to jail for their failures to prevent 9-11 from
happening when they were sitting on the information that would have
prevented it?

They didn't care about protecting the American people, their only
concern was protecting their political turf and bureaucratic empires.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Harry Gordon wrote:

Why? Why is it necessary to use this forum to discuss alternatives that
terrorist can use to destroy what they will? Doesn't the news folks do a
good enough job of telling these individuals our weaknesses? Aren't there
enough people already making enough suggestions?

I really haven't seen that many totally original ideas WRT terrorist
methods here. Let's face it, most of the ideas are depressingly obvious
anyway.

Heck, Hollywood has already covered a lot of the ideas in far more detail
than this newsgroup is ever going to...

Brian.

I'm sorry. I'm just getting really tired of turning on TV or the radio and
the first item in the news is a story for the terrorist on how they might
consider an attack. And now, "we" are going to take it a step further with
more ideas. Why? I wonder how many terrorist read this and other
"informative" newsgroups and listen to CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN, etc.....???

Harry
PP-ASEL

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...

http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/qnd...get=URBANG.HTM

excerpt:

While passenger aircraft are now pretty secure, the same is not the case
for
commercial freighters and private aircraft. It is quite possible that a
smaller
aircraft, or long range transports from foreign nations, could be used for
suicide attacks. This scenario has terrorists renting a small two engine
aircraft (like the Piper Aztec or Cessna Businessliner) and flying off to
any
target within several hundred miles. These aircraft rent for about $250 an
hour
(with a 3-4 hour minimum). They have a cargo capacity of about half a ton,
and
that could be filled with explosives. This would give the terrorists the
equivalent of an American cruise missile (which has a one ton warhead.)
These
aircraft have a maximum take off weight of about three tons and only carry
about 500 pounds of fuel. Probably would not bring down a large
skyscraper, but
would do a lot of damage to the White House or most other government
buildings
in Washington. You can buy these aircraft second hand for $200-300,000.


I hate stuff like this, but I think it's better to toss it out there and
shine
light on it than stick my head in the sand and pretend it isn't there.





www.Rosspilot.com

I think AOPA has made a major strategic error with their "Small planes
aren't a terrorist hazard." line. If someone pulls off an attack with one,
their whole position will collapse like a balloon pricked with a pin.

The fact is that small planes are an incredible hazard. Face it, there is
almost nothing that could stop a determined and willing to die pilot flying
50 agl unless exactly the right equipment and an AWACS are right on the
spot. We have enough of that to cover about .005% of the potential targets
that would paralyze the country with fear.

The real point is that GA aircraft are just one of about 500 such threats.
If it is justified to shut down GA then it is justified to lock down the
whole society. Destroying people's livelihoods and freedom when it won't
make the country as a whole safer but just move the threat from planes to
trucks, boats, you name it, is a precedent for a future grimmer in many ways
than the one we are in now.

Hell, a determined group could slowly fill an apartment in Manhattan with
rad waste and explosives carried in over a period of weeks in cardboard
boxes. Who pays attention to people moving in and out of cheap apartments
in New York? Shall we outlaw carrying cardboard boxes up stairs?

They have to catch these people where they live or at the borders. Trying
piecemeal to eliminate or control activities that could be part of a
terrorist plot will lead inevitably to a society more restricted and
controlled than even the one radical Islam envisions.

Now they are worried about carrying almanacs! I kid you not. See CNN or my
other post.

--
Roger Long

Who pays attention to people moving in and out of cheap apartments
in New York?

Cheap apartments in New York? There aren't any.


www.Rosspilot.com

I didn't mean low rent or low cost, just cheap. There are lots of those.
--
Roger Long

Rosspilot wrote in message
...
Who pays attention to people moving in and out of cheap apartments
in New York?

Cheap apartments in New York? There aren't any.


www.Rosspilot.com