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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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| Marco Rispoli wrote:
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| I don't think you can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid
student
| license and you definetly can't rent one
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| Well, you *can* own one, but the courts can take steps to prevent you from
using
| it if there's good reason to believe that you intend to fly it yourself.
The FAA
| has in the past obtained court orders to padlock aircraft owned by people
whose
| certificates were revoked. Care to bet on whether they'll do it this time
or not?
| Care to bet on whether a PA judge will take longer than 5 seconds to issue
the
| order?
|

So what the heck? He just cuts the lock and flies off to another state where
he won't be recognized. Maybe Alaska.

"Doug FM" wrote in message
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| Hope ATC never has to describe me as "orbiting like an idiot"!
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It is really too bad that he did not run into the nuclear power plant. It
would have been an interesting experiment to see just how much damage he
would have done to the thing.

On 2004-02-03 19:11:56 -0800, Roy Smith said:

I'm sure there are plenty of people flying around without licenses, on
expired medicals, etc.

And more than one person with no valid pilot certificate has been hired to
fly an airplane. There is the famous story from (I think) Eastern
Airlines, and in the interview for my previous job, the boss asked to see
my certificate just to make sure I had one, then related a story about how
he had once hired a guy and didn't discover until the guy was in training
that he didn't have a certificate.

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA

They can do an emergency suspension of your certificate immediately. Then
they
have a few days to decide what they want to charge you with. They then
notify
you, and they may ask for your side of the story. The first hearing has to
be
held within 30 days. Either you or the FAA can appeal the decision of that
to
an administrative law judge, and either you or the FAA can appeal the
judge's
decision to the NTSB. Their decision is final.

You sem to know a lot about this ...

.... perhaps TOO much about this?

In article , G.R. Patterson III
wrote:

Marco Rispoli wrote:

I don't think you can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid student
license and you definetly can't rent one

Well, you *can* own one, but the courts can take steps to prevent you from
usingit if there's good reason to believe that you intend to fly it yourself.
The FAA has in the past obtained court orders to padlock aircraft owned by
people whose certificates were revoked. Care to bet on whether they'll do it
this time or not?

But they help pilot certificates. That is different from not having a
certificate. Rules of evidence apply (as I understand it, based on
stories in the Southern US).

Care to bet on whether a PA judge will take longer than 5 seconds to issue the
order?

Probably easier now under the Patriot Act. They can do anything they
want.

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:11:56 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

"Marco Rispoli" wrote:
Can he fly a plane without a license? He can steal one (I don't think you
can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid student license and you
definetly can't rent one ... people with more knowledge in the FARs can
elaborate here).

There is nothing that says you can't own an airplane if you don't have a
pilot's license.

One more thing: this is the Northeast. I have the impression that things are
a bit more controlled around here. There's radar coverage everywhere and
airports are crowded and more under control.

Well, the controlled airports are under control, but the uncontrolled
ones aren't. There are plenty of uncontrolled airports in the
northeast. Still, to the best of my knowledge, the controllers at NY
Tracon can't see if I've got a piece of paper in my wallet or not.

Certainly, if you rent from an FBO or club, somebody's going to want to
see your license, medical, BFR endorsements, etc. But if you bought
your own plane, the odds are you could go a lifetime of flying without
anybody ever asking to see any paperwork. I'm sure there are plenty of
people flying around without licenses, on expired medicals, etc.

I have never had a situation arise where I had to prove that I had a
certificate. Of course, I never rented from anyone other than the FBO
where I trained. I can easily see how someone that had access to a
plane could fly indefinitely without having a valid cert.
Rich Russell

On 2004-02-03 22:01:52 -0800, "C J Campbell"
said:

It is really too bad that he did not run into the nuclear power plant. It
would have been an interesting experiment to see just how much damage he
would have done to the thing.

Judging by the amount of damage we've seen a 172 do to steel & glass office
building, I'd have to say that the damage would have been minimal had he
hit the containment building or one of the cooling towers. Had he hit the
power transmission lines coming out of the plant, *that* would have been a
spectacle.

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA
E-mail address changes regularly to thwart spam.

EDR wrote:


Probably easier now under the Patriot Act. They can do anything they
want.

Patriot Act has nothing to do with it. This is a no brainer case.

"EDR" wrote in message
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"Marco Rispoli" wrote
(I don't think you can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid
student license

In article , Morgans
wrote:
WRONGAMOONDO !!!!!!!

Lots of non-pilots buy airplanes and hire others to fly them.

So, a person can buy an airplane without a pilot's license, AND fly
that airplane without a pilot's license.

I knew an old timer who had lost his medical. He owned a private
airport. He told his wife, "It's my airplane, it's my airport, I'll fly
if I want to!"

I stand corrected.

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
I SOLOed!! You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

If they ever describe me that way, it won't be because of alcohol. I
don't touch the stuff. Fling is too important to me.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


"Doug FM" wrote in message able.rogers.com...
Hope ATC never has to describe me as "orbiting like an idiot"!

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