Avgas is cheap

Our airport manager says he is letting the tanks go nearly to empty before
ordering another load, because he will have to raise the price significantly
once he does..
denny
"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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A lot of FBOs only change their prices when they get a new load of fuel.
The price will probably be going up significantly when they do.

Mike
MU-2

"John Galban" wrote in message
om...
I took a day off today to spend some quality time with my airplane.
On the way to the airport I stopped to fill up my truck with $2.05/gal
unleaded. I got to the airport and topped off the plane with
$2.06/gal 100LL. What's wrong with this picture? Kinda makes that
expensive autogas STC in my plane look rather silly.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Dennis O'Connor wrote:

Our airport manager says he is letting the tanks go nearly to empty before
ordering another load, because he will have to raise the price significantly
once he does..

I don't think much of that logic. If he then buys a full load of gas at a higher
cost and the supplier lowers the price a few weeks later, he needs to charge
higher prices for quite some time before he sells enough to need to refill his
tanks. He runs the risk of pricing himself out of the market for a while. If I
were doing it, I would buy as little as possible while the supplier's prices
are high. And, yes, I have seen avgas prices go down as well as up.

Most of the airports in this area let the tanks go nearly dry because they get
price breaks for quantity purchases. I understand that there's a large discount
if you buy an entire trailer full at a time. Maybe that's what he's trying to
do.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

If the FBO owner could forecast the future price of fuel accurately, he
wouldn't be running an FBO.

Mike
MU-2


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Dennis O'Connor wrote:

Our airport manager says he is letting the tanks go nearly to empty
before
ordering another load, because he will have to raise the price
significantly
once he does..

I don't think much of that logic. If he then buys a full load of gas at a
higher
cost and the supplier lowers the price a few weeks later, he needs to
charge
higher prices for quite some time before he sells enough to need to refill
his
tanks. He runs the risk of pricing himself out of the market for a while.
If I
were doing it, I would buy as little as possible while the supplier's
prices
are high. And, yes, I have seen avgas prices go down as well as up.

Most of the airports in this area let the tanks go nearly dry because they
get
price breaks for quantity purchases. I understand that there's a large
discount
if you buy an entire trailer full at a time. Maybe that's what he's trying
to
do.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way
that
you look forward to the trip.

(John Galban) wrote in message . com...
I took a day off today to spend some quality time with my airplane.
On the way to the airport I stopped to fill up my truck with $2.05/gal
unleaded. I got to the airport and topped off the plane with
$2.06/gal 100LL. What's wrong with this picture? Kinda makes that
expensive autogas STC in my plane look rather silly.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

As other posters mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

Kees.

Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty with a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA, also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism has it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

Once you accept the fact that government is going to cost a certain amount
of money, you have to accept that there will be *some* kind of tax or fee.
IMO it is better to tax consumption than production because it leads to more
efficient use of the taxed resource. Personally I think European
governments are too large and provide too many services and hence tax too
much.

Mike
MU-2


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA, also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for 100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA, also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Oddly, our "capitalism" produces mogas at about $1.70 a gallon (with the
state and fed gub'mints taking about $0.35-0.40 of that) and out Avgas 100LL
at $2.62.

Sounds like your over-regulation, demanded by your populace, has bitten you
consumers in the ass. Se, we have dozens of companies in the Avgas business
and hundreds in the petrol business. How many do you have?

The UK hasn't been even remotely free market/capitalist in over 100 years.

You folks shot yourselves in the groin, so quit yer' bitching.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism",
don't
you?

Oddly, our "capitalism" produces mogas at about $1.70 a gallon (with the
state and fed gub'mints taking about $0.35-0.40 of that) and out Avgas
100LL
at $2.62.

Sounds like your over-regulation, demanded by your populace, has bitten
you
consumers in the ass. Se, we have dozens of companies in the Avgas
business
and hundreds in the petrol business. How many do you have?

The UK hasn't been even remotely free market/capitalist in over 100 years.

You folks shot yourselves in the groin, so quit yer' bitching.

No problem, it gives us an excuse to go to the US and fly there.
And why not. There is so much to see. With the $ at nearly 2 to the £ its a
bargain and which is why the US will be the most popular tourist destination
for Brits this year despite the additional security restrictions.

The security is no problem either. Its still a bit ramshackled. Its
something we are used to and ours is probably better due to the many years
more experience of the task. Besides which nearly every Brit has a passport
and travels abroad at some time so it breeds a bit of tolerance.

As for me, it will be hour building somewhere this year where I can enjoy
the full experience what aviation in the US has to offer.

Even though the Federal authorities are making life more difficult you guys
are lucky. So appreciate it and enjoy it. Thousand of foreign pilots coming
to the US cannot be wrong.

Only one thing, one of the most socialist countries in Europe,
Sweden, has avgas at 4.5 Skr a litre, about $2.25 per USG.

Renting a plane's quite cheap there too, when I was out there
it was cheaper than the US. Now I'm not sure as the $ to £ is
quite high. No landing fees (well, you buy a yearly card...all club
aircraft have it) and less controlled airspace than the US. And
they allow you to fly wherever you like over Stockholm at 2000ft
as long as you move out of the way a bit when there's an arrival
at Bromma airport. (only the royal palace at Drottningholm has a
small area of restricted airspace)

Paul

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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Oddly, our "capitalism" produces mogas at about $1.70 a gallon (with the
state and fed gub'mints taking about $0.35-0.40 of that) and out Avgas
100LL
at $2.62.