Quick question about an incident which happend today

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
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Oh, and most importantly, never, never, never talk to atc unless you are
absolutely forced to do so... I haven't looked at the sectional for your
area so you may have had to talk woth them the entire way, but in the
future
always plan your flying so that you only use atc to get into or out of
controlled airspace, and then immediately cancel and go back to squawking
1200... They are NOT your friend...
denny

LOL, tell that to the lost Cessna pilot I spent 30 minutes finding,
orienting and talking down yesterday right in the middle of the real ATC
stuff I was doing. We had three Centers and two Tracons trying to find this
guy at one point, all because he didn't avail himself of his taxpayer-funded
ATC system for flight following. His CFI was probably an "Us versus Them"
guy like you.

Chip, ZTL

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message


They are NOT your friend...

Well, they've certainly been very helpful to me, but you're right. That
doesn't make them my "friend", does it?

Now, after I meet a few of the very helpful controllers who I've talked to
over the relatively few years I've been flying (and the especially helpful
one at Norfolk) and thank them properly, *then* they'd be friends, right?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

I would ask for the supervisor and explain the situation, the possibility of
mistaken identity, and offer to send in the GPS plot. If it goes further
than this, they should be able to match up your GPS plot with a radar track
and clear you. I don't know if they will do this, but because of the
possibility of things like this happening I am a member of the AOPA legal
services plan and I would call them to get a more solid answer to what steps
I should take.

Usenet is great, but there times a lawyer representing you and making a
couple of calls can really put your mind to ease.


"Chris" wrote in message
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Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20
Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area.
I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive
I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed
I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,
Chris

File a Nasa report.

"Victor" wrote in message
m...
File a Nasa report.

Probably too late for that -- besides, what is he reporting? He is not
reporting a safety problem with his own flight; he did not bust the
airspace.

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C J Campbell wrote:


"Victor" wrote in message
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File a Nasa report.

Probably too late for that -- besides, what is he reporting? He is not
reporting a safety problem with his own flight; he did not bust the
airspace.

I think an error by ATC constitutes a potential safety issue.

- Andrew

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"Chris" wrote in message
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Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20
Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area.
I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive
I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed
I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?


Did you receive radar services from any ATC facility? If not, and it sounds
like you didn't, the controller is not in a position to accuse you of
anything.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Did you receive radar services from any ATC facility? If not, and it sounds
like you didn't, the controller is not in a position to accuse you of
anything.

Sounds to me that they tracked the violator on radar and believe the aircraft
landed at Danbury. Of course, I'm sure NY approach had nothing better to do and
couldn't possibly have mixed up his track with that of another aircraft (sarcasm
off).

In any case, that sort of thing is done on occasion in the northeast corridor.
Both Philly and NY controllers are infamous for it. I suspect the controller or
supervisor making the call was just fishing for an admission of guilt, but I
agree with the other posters about saving the track evidence, NASA report, and
AOPA's legal plan.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

"Chris" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,
I have a question for people who fly in CT, and NY often. Today I was
flying from Danbury (DXR) to Brookhaven (HWV). I flew out without
incident.
Coming home I flew from Brookhaven direct to Calverton then to Bridgeport
then direct Danbury using a combination of my sectional chart and GPS as a
backup. The whole route was flown at 3,000 ft with the exception of
takeoff
from Brookhaven and a decent about 8 miles to the south of Danbury. Upon
arrival ground control at Danbury gave me a phone number to contact NY
approach on. I called the number and was transferred to a controller who I
told my call sign the control accused me of flying through the Westchester
County Airports airspace at 2,800 ft. I was never within more then 20
Miles
of White Plains on my whole route. This is confirmed with my GPS which has
the tracked route stored in it and my by extensive knowledge of the area.
I
also confirmed I was directly over Bridgeport and flew in-between the
lakes
in the area if anyone is familiar with them. The controllers insisted it
was
me and said he tracked me flying over Westchester, I'm absolutely positive
I
was never in the area. He got alittle agitated when I told him I believed
I
was correct and he just demanded it was me for sure. I'm just curious what
anyone else would do in this case. Another aircraft came into Danbury
around
the same times from the south and I think this is a case of mistaken
identity and was accused of busting the class delta for no reason. Are
there
any actions or steps I can take against being falsely accused?

Thanks,
Chris


I agree with the others that the NASA ASRS forms and the AOPA legal are good
ideas.

If your GPS does not allow input of track data from an external source (e.g.
PC) then you should retain that track on the GPS unit as "unadulteratable"
evidence.

FYI if you would like to see you track overlaid directly onto a sectional or
other map, I would be happy to do this for you if you send me a copy of the
track file. E-mail me at jclonts AT hot dot rr dot com.

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

I do not agree that the NASA ASRS form will do you any good whatsoever.
First of all, you have already been notified of a possible violation.
Secondly, what are you going to say on it? That you heard a rumor that
somebody else might have violated airspace somewhere? Of course, it will not
hurt anything, either.

You need to get a good aviation attorney in on this as soon as possible and
don't say another word to the feds until you do.