Getting students to line up with the center line

The other student, likes to be 10-20 degrees angled left / right of
center line before touching down (ie. side loading)

I used to do this and have seen many students do this. I think the most
common reason is because they're trying to line up the center line of the
plane with the center stripe. In doing so they misjudge what the angle
formed by the stripe, their lateral displacement, and the end of the runway
should look like. Have him line himself up with the stripe or go to a
runway without a centerline.

If not that he might be kicking in rudder at the last minute.



"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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I'm having an issue with 2 students.

One has a hard time lining up/staying lined up with the center line
(no wind and xwind). I keep telling him "toes forward" and "Have the
center line cut through your body"

Still not grasping it.

The other student, likes to be 10-20 degrees angled left / right of
center line before touching down (ie. side loading)

Any tips?

BoDEAN wrote in news:02bc70155v6jl5inhl070v3hkjbl0b246f@
4ax.com:

I'm having an issue with 2 students.

One has a hard time lining up/staying lined up with the center line
(no wind and xwind). I keep telling him "toes forward" and "Have the
center line cut through your body"


How does the student taxi on the ground? If the student is taxiing
consistently to the left side of the line, then you know he is
overcompensating for the width of the airplane and his seat position. Show
him that his seat is only about 12" from the aircraft axis, which is about
the same thickness as the taxiway line.

I trained at a fairly large field with a very wide runway. The CFI kept
telling me to stay on the centerline and I kept saying there seemed little
point, why not land on the side where I was going to turn off?

So he brought me to a very short and narrow field for practice. THEN I was
right on the centerline. Either that or in the weeds. Enough of that and
eventually I just sort of automatically aim for the center now.



"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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I'm having an issue with 2 students.

One has a hard time lining up/staying lined up with the center line
(no wind and xwind). I keep telling him "toes forward" and "Have the
center line cut through your body"

BoDEAN wrote:

I'm having an issue with 2 students.

One has a hard time lining up/staying lined up with the center line
(no wind and xwind). I keep telling him "toes forward" and "Have the
center line cut through your body"

Still not grasping it.

The other student, likes to be 10-20 degrees angled left / right of
center line before touching down (ie. side loading)

Any tips?

Pick a day that's not busy. Line the aircraft up properly. Ask the student to look at
the centerline all the way down at the other end of the runway. The student should
then move his/her eyes straight down until the eyes hit some recognizeable portion of
the instrument panel. Tell them to learn that sight picture. For example, whatever is
in front of the right mounting screw for the AI in my Maule is directly in front of
me.

Courtesy of Kenny Lemieux, former CFI.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

Usually, this is due to using the nose of the airplane as a reference.

When I have a student doing this consistently, I draw a little cross on the
windshield with a whiteboard marker directly in front of his face. Then I
tell him to use the cross as a reference instead of the nose. Works every
time, and the whiteboard mark wipes right off.

I also use whiteboard marks on the windshield for other purposes, too, such
as getting Microsoft Flight Simulator junkies to look out the window, and
when students are having trouble judging altitude on final approach.

ZZ, CFI.

BoDEAN wrote in message . ..
I'm having an issue with 2 students.

One has a hard time lining up/staying lined up with the center line
(no wind and xwind). I keep telling him "toes forward" and "Have the
center line cut through your body"

Still not grasping it.

The other student, likes to be 10-20 degrees angled left / right of
center line before touching down (ie. side loading)

Any tips?



It seems that your students having hard time dividing attention
and performing few tasks simultaneously i.e.. maintaining center line
and longitudinal attitude,
stabilize the descend to landing,etc.
A proven technique that I use for teaching such students how to also
land in crosswinds
may help in this scenario, Have your student repeatedly fly over the
center line at about 10 - 20 ft AGL
while you take away all his other tasks such as power management
required to maintain
the final approach speed, making sure the a/c is trimmed properly,
and by guiding him with the control inputs until you achieve the
proper attitude, and center line is maintained.
Let him view comfortably this attitude( without having to fly it to a
landing).and let him fly this pttn again
for few times until both of you agree that the task has been
accomplished and he can easily perform it, (even if it takes
a whole session).
The next thing will be flying it all the way to a landing.

BTW using this method on a calm wind day may achieve faster results
than on a strong x winds.

Mike CFII MEI

Have your student repeatedly fly over the
center line at about 10 - 20 ft AGL

My early instructor had me do this (more like 5 ft however) at a
nearby airport with a fine long asphalt runway (with centerline
when I demonstrated a lack of finesse in getting the Cub on the
ground.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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when I demonstrated a lack of finesse in getting the Cub on the
ground.


I've never missed the ground!
;)
Peter