Does the CFI ride count towards your BFR?

thanx Greg..

BT

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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I pay AOPA $52 each year for legal services. I called them. They
assured me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

Here is the text of an email exchange I had with AOPA:

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GE: Can you explain why your guide says that a "Flight test for any
certificate or rating" counts as a Flight Review when 61.56(d) clearly
says that only flight tests for PILOT certificates or ratings count?
(The Flight Instructor certificate is not a PILOT certificate.)

Thank you.


AOPA: Thank you for writing AOPA. Yes, you are correct a flight test
for a CFI is only counted as a flight review if you discuss it with
the examiner beforehand and he/she signs you off for one after the
test. If you need anything else please do not hesitate to email me
personally. Have a great day.

GE: Will AOPA correct its web page on the Flight Review with regards
to this?

AOPA: I already contacted the appropriate people. Thank you for your
email.

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"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said that there is a requirement
for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a

The FAA said, via the FAQs:

However, to make sure the applicant gets credit for successful
completion of the Flight Review, the examiner should record that the
§61.56 Flight Review was satisfactorily completed in the applicant's
logbook.



Since when did "should" become "must?"

Since when did "should" become "must?"

Since when did an "instructor" certificate become a "pilot"
certificate?

In the end, it doesn't matter what Mr. Lynch or anyone else says on
the matter. The regulation reads the way it reads.

The argument is that an instructor checkride does not count, because a
Instructor certificate is not a pilot certificate. 14 CFR 61.56, which
deals with BFR's, specifies in paragraph (d) that a proficiency check for a
pilot certificate or rating is required. 14 CFR 61.5(a) defines a pilot
certificate as Student, Rec, Private, Commercial and ATP, and paragraph (b)
defines ratings for airplanes as class ratings (SEL,MEL,SES,MES) or
instrument ratings.

In reality, I doubt this is enforced by the FSDO's. If you're not a
risktaker, just ask your CFI who signs you off for your CFI, MEI or CFII to
sign you off for a BFR-- you've met all the requirements if they're willing
to sign you off for the checkride.



"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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Can't get a clear cut answer from anyone on this....
Got my CFI last may, does my 24 calendar months start on that date til
when I need a BFR?
Or would I have to go back to my Multi Training for a starting date

"Brad Z" wrote
In reality, I doubt this is enforced by the FSDO's.

I've seen it enforced.

The situation was that there was an accident, it clearly wasn't pilot
error (engine quit at low altitude, not due to fuel starvation,
everyone walked away) but the FAA inspector took a dislike to the
pilot and wanted to get him. Couldn't get him on anything related to
the accident (there were just too many witnesses) so got him on flying
out of BFR by deciding that the CFII ride taken a few months ago
didn't count.

Michael

I've always considered that it didn't, because like others have said, the
CFI cert. is not a pilot certificate, it's an instructor's certificate, just
as a Ground Instructor's certificate is an instructors certificate. It's
just my opinion, but this seems the safest and that I feel the 1 hour
ground/1 hour flight instruction is well worth the time and expense.

I don't think that a person should be too worried about a FSDO inspector
getting too picky and looking to bust you about it. What I would be more
concerned about is a DE haveing a point of issue with it while during your
next check ride he asks you to show him that you are a legally qualified
pilot. It would be a difficult arguement to have while you were in a
difficult position. That would be my main reason to double cover myself, if
that is what you want to call it.

Good luck.

Jim Burns

"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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Can't get a clear cut answer from anyone on this....
Got my CFI last may, does my 24 calendar months start on that date til
when I need a BFR?
Or would I have to go back to my Multi Training for a starting date

BoDEAN wrote in message . ..
Can't get a clear cut answer from anyone on this....
Got my CFI last may, does my 24 calendar months start on that date til
when I need a BFR?
Or would I have to go back to my Multi Training for a starting date

No, checkrides for an Instructor's certificate do not count toward a
BFR. Only checkrides towards a Pilot certificate count. I had a guy at
the FSDO actually try to explain it to me but I still don't think it
makes sense. The FDSO guy said something like Instructor certificates
do not specifically requiring flying, the checkride could be done by
evaluation, not demonstration (different CFI examiners seem to do
differing amount of evaluating vs. flying on the CFI checkrides).
For some reason the FARs are very specific when they say "pilot
certificate". I'm not sure if they were trying to exclude instructors
or perhaps some A&Ps were trying to claim their A&P practical test
from an examiner counted toward a BFR.


-Robert, CFI

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BoDEAN wrote in message
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Can't get a clear cut answer from anyone on this....
Got my CFI last may, does my 24 calendar months start on that date til
when I need a BFR?
Or would I have to go back to my Multi Training for a starting date

No, checkrides for an Instructor's certificate do not count toward a
BFR. Only checkrides towards a Pilot certificate count. I had a guy at
the FSDO actually try to explain it to me but I still don't think it
makes sense. The FDSO guy said something like Instructor certificates
do not specifically requiring flying, the checkride could be done by
evaluation, not demonstration (different CFI examiners seem to do
differing amount of evaluating vs. flying on the CFI checkrides).
For some reason the FARs are very specific when they say "pilot
certificate". I'm not sure if they were trying to exclude instructors
or perhaps some A&Ps were trying to claim their A&P practical test
from an examiner counted toward a BFR.

The FSDO guy is wrong. The CFI ride requires flying according to the PTS.
There is no avoiding it. Any FSDO guy who is that ignorant about the CFI
check ride is completely incompetent.