More Blackbird Trivia

That's a _great_ reference. Thanks. WRT nations banning flyovers above
Class-A airspace, the Treaty says:
"The Outer Space Treaty states that outer space, including the Moon
and other celestial
bodies is not subject to national appropriation by claim of
sovereignty, by means of use
or occupation, or by any other means."
So, a nation cannot ban overflights up there if they are a signator of the
Treaty.

NB: The use of "Outer Space" usually means beyond out galaxy, not typical
Earth orbits!



"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 13:43:25 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:


Where do satellites fit into this definition?

Or, rather, where does international outer space begin?


google is your friend.

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/FAQ/splawfaq.htm

#m

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How are you arriving at the conclusion that anything above the ceiling of
class A airspace is uncontrolled? Are you saying that the Outer Space
Treaty governs from FL600?

Mike
MU-2

"William W. Plummer" wrote in message
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That's a _great_ reference. Thanks. WRT nations banning flyovers above
Class-A airspace, the Treaty says:
"The Outer Space Treaty states that outer space, including the Moon
and other celestial
bodies is not subject to national appropriation by claim of
sovereignty, by means of use
or occupation, or by any other means."
So, a nation cannot ban overflights up there if they are a signator of the
Treaty.

NB: The use of "Outer Space" usually means beyond out galaxy, not typical
Earth orbits!



"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 May 2004 13:43:25 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:


Where do satellites fit into this definition?

Or, rather, where does international outer space begin?


google is your friend.

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/FAQ/splawfaq.htm

#m

--
Martin!!! Maaaaartiiiin!!! Can you please flame this guy for me?
'HECTOP' in rec.aviation.piloting

Jay Honeck wrote:

Where do satellites fit into this definition?

Satellites, by definition, are located outside the Earth's atmosphere and are subject
to the restrictions and privileges of the several United Nations treaties concerning
outer space.

Or, rather, where does international outer space begin?

The dictionary definition is "outside the Earth's atmosphere".

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

"William W. Plummer" wrote:

NB: The use of "Outer Space" usually means beyond out galaxy, not typical
Earth orbits!

Maybe in the SciFi world, but not in the practical world. LEO is "outer space".

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:dD2rc.38692$6f5.3996067@attbi_s54...
Want to see a SR71 Black Bird fly in to McMinnville OR you can also see
the
Spruce Goose

SR-71s (and variants) are all over now. Closest to me is Minnesota, but
there's one in Omaha, NE and one in Dayton, OH, too.

One in the lobby of the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, KS.
http://www.cosmo.org/museums/index.html
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

"William W. Plummer" wrote:

That's a _great_ reference. Thanks. WRT nations banning flyovers above
Class-A airspace, the Treaty says:
"The Outer Space Treaty states that outer space, including the Moon
and other celestial
bodies is not subject to national appropriation by claim of
sovereignty, by means of use
or occupation, or by any other means."
So, a nation cannot ban overflights up there if they are a signator of the
Treaty.

NB: The use of "Outer Space" usually means beyond out galaxy, not typical
Earth orbits!

Not sure where it is "usually" used that way. but it is clearly NOT
being used that way here unless they misplaced the moon, since they
specifically mention the moon as one of the outer space objects
included in the treaty.
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Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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No, the ABC airspace only goes up to FL600 but that does not imply that
the
underlying country does not own and control airspace above FL600.
Airspace
above FL600 is class E airspace in the US. Try flying over China above
FL600 or ask Gary Powers if you want more.

I'd volunteer to fry flying a Blackbird at 60,000 feet over China.

I mean, if they're taking volunteers. :

-c

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message news:

Want to see a SR71 Black Bird fly in to McMinnville OR you can also see
the
Spruce Goose

Saw that old hoss at Dryden not too long before they took it up to
McMinnville. She was on the flightline with another Blackbird, there was a
JP-7 truck and the "follow me" truck was a star-spangled CJ-5. I'm talking
PORN, friends.

The McMinnville museum org is...weird. For example, they have the Goose,
a Blackbird, an F-15, a bf109 with the original engine, B-17, P-38, P-51,
yaddayaddayadda... Yet, last time I stood in line to pay admission they had
a board up asking for donations. Cameras, projectors, VCRs, brooms. The
thing is, they were specifying things like "VCR -4 head Hi Fi" These guys
have an SR-71 and I'm paying close to ten bucks to get in, but they can't
afford a frickin mop?!

I volunteered for a couple of years, got to ride around in the B-17 etc.
Now, you have to go through a background check, fill out all kinds of
paperwork, go to mandatory orientation meetings and put in a minimum number
of hours a month. Sounds to me more like unpaid part-type employment than
"volunteer" work.

Kinda creepy.
-c

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message

SR-71s (and variants) are all over now. Closest to me is Minnesota, but
there's one in Omaha, NE and one in Dayton, OH, too.

One in the lobby of the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, KS.
http://www.cosmo.org/museums/index.html

They've got the A-12 at the Boeing museum, and you can sit in the cockpit of
one that wrecked. It's comical...all the kids line up and fight to get into
the F-18 cockpit. The dads, having abandoned them, can be found lurking
around the Blackbird. I sat in it for awhile and got so engrossed in the
cockpit that I forgot to look out the windscreen.

And, no, I didn't not scream and holler and cry like a baby when it was my
turn to get out. But I thought about it! :

-c

"gatt" wrote in message
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They've got the A-12 at the Boeing museum, and you can sit in the cockpit
of
one that wrecked.

Never heard of a Boeing museum.

Maybe you mean the Museum of Flight, located at Boeing Field near Seattle?
They have one.

Pete