Wedekind Sleeve Source?

I assembled my ASW-20B more than 300 times when I owned it and used standard aircraft safety pins. Never dropped one and it never took me more than a minute or two. :-)

5Z

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 11:08:52 AM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:
Sheesh. Captive safety clips for the win. Make 'em yourself or buy from Schempp Hirth. Absolutely zero reason for those over engineered sleeves.

Take the thousand dollars (?) or so you save and put it to a new vario. Email me and I can help you with that too :-).

Evan Ludeman / T8

My first Pegasus had L'Hotellier fittings with safety pins, and the small inspection hole was barely large enough for my forearm, so everything was by feel. I hated it. My second Pegasus had the Wedekind sleeves, and are worth every penny you might spend. Control hookup went from ten minutes and much cursing to about ten seconds.

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 10:22:31 AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
My first Pegasus had L'Hotellier fittings with safety pins, and the small inspection hole was barely large enough for my forearm, so everything was by feel. I hated it. My second Pegasus had the Wedekind sleeves, and are worth every penny you might spend. Control hookup went from ten minutes and much cursing to about ten seconds.



Perhaps we aren't talking about the same kinds of clips. I hook up, safety and physically test six connections on my ASW-20B with one hand, by feel, in about 90 seconds. Then I inspect by eye which takes about ten more. If the clips are properly installed and tweaked for proper fit, they more or less fall into place.

Here's a photo of a similar installation on a 20A. http://tinyurl.com/zdoprgz

Here are the clips before installation:
http://tinyurl.com/zbjf6nh

Those may be home made (but as far as I know you can also buy from Shempp Hirth).

None of this is to suggest that Wedekind sleeves aren't up to the job or that installing them was a bad idea. I simply wanted to point out that there is a good/fast/cheap option for those so inclined.

best,
Evan Ludeman / T8

Tango Eight, the wire clips in your pictures are ok, but you still have to
insert them in a hole in the L'Hotellie, one advantage with your clips is
not having to remove the L'Hotellier when you originally install them.

The Wedekind sleeves is pulled back against its spring, then when the rod
is connected the sleeve is released, the sleeve under its spring tension
slides over the L'Hotellier, locking it in place.
To disconnect the control, the sleeve is pulled clear of L'Hotellier, the
L'Hotellier can then be disengaged.
I had Wedekind on my Cirrus, they are excellent, loved them.
Picture of Wedekind, http://aviation.derosaweb.net/wedekind/





At 16:08 05 March 2016, Tango Eight wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 10:22:31 AM UTC-5, Mark628CA wrote:
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Here's a photo of a similar installation on a 20A.
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Here are the clips before installation:
http://tinyurl.com/zbjf6nh

Those may be home made (but as far as I know you can also buy from Shempp
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best,
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Vernon and 5Z,

The safety pins I was referring to look like this. http://aviation.derosaweb.net/wedeki.../safetypin.jpg. While mine were tied to something to prevent loosing them in the belly of the beast, they were a bear for me to install just by feel (at least for my level of dexterity).

The safety pins that you show on your ASW-20's might be a different solution to the issue covered in the AD. http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/5000/5700/5722/ad97-08-06_r1.pdf. Never seen them before. Were they home made? From Schleicher? Someone else?

Also, maybe the location of your fittings are more accessible in the 20. On the DG's two of the fittings are easy to get to (through a small white hole while looking into darkness against bright sunlight) while two of the fittings are totally buried, invisible, and are difficult to get to at the best of times.

I raise a glass to my next ship that will have automatic hookups!

My $0.02

- John

John, your links don’t work, cant see the photos.
Vernon


At 16:17 06 March 2016, Oscar-Hotel-Mike wrote:
Vernon and 5Z,

The safety pins I was referring to look like this.
http://aviation.derosaw=
eb.net/wedekind/documentation/safetypin.jpg. While mine were tied to
somet=
hing to prevent loosing them in the belly of the beast, they were a bear
fo=
r me to install just by feel (at least for my level of dexterity). =20

The safety pins that you show on your ASW-20's might be a different
solutio=
n to the issue covered in the AD.
http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/5000/5700/5722/ad9=
7-08-06_r1.pdf. Never seen them before. Were they home made? From
Schleic=
her? Someone else? =20

Also, maybe the location of your fittings are more accessible in the 20.
O=
n the DG's two of the fittings are easy to get to (through a small white
ho=
le while looking into darkness against bright sunlight) while two of the
fi=
ttings are totally buried, invisible, and are difficult to get to at the
be=
st of times.

I raise a glass to my next ship that will have automatic hookups! =20

My $0.02

- John=20

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This looks like what I used:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#90174a112/=11fc3wv

5Z

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:17:42 AM UTC-8, Oscar-Hotel-Mike wrote:
Vernon and 5Z,

The safety pins I was referring to look like this. http://aviation.derosaweb.net/wedeki.../safetypin.jpg. While mine were tied to something to prevent loosing them in the belly of the beast, they were a bear for me to install just by feel (at least for my level of dexterity).

The safety pins that you show on your ASW-20's might be a different solution to the issue covered in the AD. http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/5000/5700/5722/ad97-08-06_r1.pdf. Never seen them before. Were they home made? From Schleicher? Someone else?

Also, maybe the location of your fittings are more accessible in the 20. On the DG's two of the fittings are easy to get to (through a small white hole while looking into darkness against bright sunlight) while two of the fittings are totally buried, invisible, and are difficult to get to at the best of times.

I raise a glass to my next ship that will have automatic hookups!

My $0.02

- John

Tango Eight, the wire clips in your pictures are ok, but you still have to
insert them in a hole in the L'Hotellie, one advantage with your clips is
not having to remove the L'Hotellier when you originally install them.

Kevin, I'll buy the other 2 sleeves from you (for a DG202).

Thanks.
-Dirk

"Also, maybe the location of your fittings are more accessible in the 20. On the DG's two of the fittings are easy to get to (through a small white hole while looking into darkness against bright sunlight) while two of the fittings are totally buried, invisible, and are difficult to get to at the best of times."

The connections in the fuselage are easier to get to than the ones in the 200/202/400. The 15 I fly is even easier to seal with as there are only four connectors and the access hatch is larger. I find the plain pins, tethered to the control rods just fine and I assemble my ship for every day's flying. Those two hard to get at connectors on the DG would be enough for me to go to the trouble of using Wedekinds if I had one though. Automatic hookups are highly desirable though. Despite that, odds are my next ship will be a 17 with SIX L'Hotelliers in the fuselage!