Cessna buyers in So. Cal. beware !

(Lennie the Lurker)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-And please note, not one ****ing word trying to justify his dislike
-for someone issuing a warning to others that may look at the plane
-less thoroughly than Bill did.

I don't do ****ing words. I never considered ****ing a spectator sport or a
word game.

Did you really LOOK at his post, Lennie? All the bitches about the airplane
were of the "I didn't like the way it looked." Not one single, "this measured
outside of the limits set by the xyz approved data sheet."

Now the owner emailing or phoning him with threats... THAT was plain dumb and
stupid on the owner's part. Had that OWNER posted here about this idiot that
looked at his airplane and what he had done about it, I'd'a reamed the owner a
new asshole with a wire brush. What I saw here were two jerks who deserved to
run into each other.


It's not the person you don't like,
-Jim, it's him giving a warning what to look out for.

I could give a rat's hiney about the warning. The dislike was that Berle had
absolutely no factual information on which to base his rant. He didn't like the
seat rails, but didn't measure them. He didn't like the aileron ball joints but
had no idea why they were frozen. He didn't like the flap mechanisms but had no
data on which to base his complaints...yada...yada...yada...


Too many major
-repairs were not disclosed, which is dishonest in the nth degree.

What not disclosed? Did Berle ASK about major damage or major repairs on the
phone and was told a lie? Anybody above moron in this business asks that
question as the first order of business. He never said the person lied to him;
Berle was too stupid to ask the question.


A
-lot of other major work needed doing, not disclosed beforehand either.

What major work needed to be done? Quote me from Berle's post, will you? All I
saw were some rantings from a person who expected to see a show airplane for a
beater price. He got what he bargained for...and never spent a cent of money in
the process...other than gas money which he quite easily could have avoided with
the proper questions on the phone.



- WHich would equate to me selling my nine inch South Bend, then
-telling the buyer that it has been backed over with a tractor. (I
-figure I'm the sixth owner since then, and it should be running by the
-end of July, but there's no way I'd try to pass it off as anything but
-what it is.) I don't do business that way.

You got a nine inch South Bend for sale? I'm in the market.


Jim


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

So you are saying you would sign it off?

Are you warning people or advertising?



Jim Weir wrote:
What do I hear?

A little brat whining because he was looking for a cheap plane and found one.

A statement to the effect that, "I'm not an airplane mechanic, but I like to
play one in the newsgroups."


Jim



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jules
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-So you are saying you would sign it off?

How the hell would I know? I'm 600 miles north, and not the least bit
interested in looking at a ratty 175. What I'm saying is that in all the
squawks a bitches in the original post, I have yet to see something that is
definitively unairworthy BY THE BOOK.


-
-Are you warning people or advertising?


None of the above. I'm in the enviable position of being able to pick and
choose my friends for whom I will do inspections; I don't have to work for
anybody who comes through the front door with an attitude.

Jim



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"?

Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy?

Bingo. Finally, somebody understands. Good on 'ya Richard.


Jim



"Richard Kaplan"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
-Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"?
-
-Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy?
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Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in
s.com:


Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"?

Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy?

What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness? When did
the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of airworthiness?

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
...
"Richard Kaplan" wrote in
s.com:


Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"?

Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy?

What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness?

Maybe the fact that price is usually a measure of "suitability for a
purpose"?

When did
the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of airworthiness?

It doesn't, "economic reality" does.

(Geez...you should have learned this before entering elementary school)

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
:

What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness?

Maybe the fact that price is usually a measure of "suitability for a
purpose"?

Really? On what planet, Tom?

When did the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of
airworthiness?

It doesn't, "economic reality" does.

Boy, you sure have an active imagination. Of course, this only applies to
the resale price of an airplane, doesn't it? It doesn't apply to the
acquisition price, because then, according to your rules, anything goes,
doesn't it? Capitalistic airworthiness at its best?

(Geez...you should have learned this before entering elementary school)

I missed Dumb Rationalizations 101. On purpose.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:57:37 +0000, Juan Jimenez wrote:

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
:

What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness?

Maybe the fact that price is usually a measure of "suitability for a
purpose"?

Really? On what planet, Tom?


Ya, I had this same thought. Price rarely is a measure of suitability for
a purpose. I agree with ya. In fact, suitability, quality, price, and
popularity often have little to do with each other.

When did the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of
airworthiness?

It doesn't, "economic reality" does.

Boy, you sure have an active imagination. Of course, this only applies to
the resale price of an airplane, doesn't it? It doesn't apply to the
acquisition price, because then, according to your rules, anything goes,
doesn't it? Capitalistic airworthiness at its best?

I know. It's kind of funny. Accordingly, if we run with his logic, there
are never deals to be had in aviation. In fact, we can ignore every
social issue which affects mankind such as money problems, loss of
interest, medical problems, or desire to rapidly acquire another
possession. Nope, paying absoluete top dollar is the only way to aquire
anything of worth. I wonder if he purchased anything other than new, and
paid above sticker to boot? If he did, he clearly got ripped off.

Just having some fun with the obvious, which was seemingly overlooked
in the grandparent message.


Cheers,

Greg

From: Juan Jimenez
Date: 6/21/2004 10:01 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in
ws.com:


Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"?

Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy?

What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness? When did
the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of airworthiness?

Juan, have you ever sold or flown that BD-5?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired