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"Frank van der Hulst" wrote in message
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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
Jughugs wrote:

On top of that... manned flight was invented HERE in the US... not in
that
dental-challenged, pompus, take credit for everything, dung-hole!


Actually controlled heavier than air flight was, not manned flight. The
Montgolfier of brothers of France were making manned flights in hot air
balloons in the 1700s.

Actually, controlled *powered* heavier than air flight... really quite a
small insignificant subset ;-)

I think I could argue that the 1902 glider was an unpowered, controlled
heavier than air flying machine.

Tim Ward

Tim Ward wrote:
"Frank van der Hulst" wrote in message
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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Jughugs wrote:


On top of that... manned flight was invented HERE in the US... not in
that
dental-challenged, pompus, take credit for everything, dung-hole!


Actually controlled heavier than air flight was, not manned flight. The
Montgolfier of brothers of France were making manned flights in hot air
balloons in the 1700s.

Actually, controlled *powered* heavier than air flight... really quite a
small insignificant subset ;-)


I think I could argue that the 1902 glider was an unpowered, controlled
heavier than air flying machine.

No problem with that. However, George Cayley (of the dental-challenged
pompus [sic] dung-hole country mentioned earlier) built and a flew a
man-carrying glider in 1854. Controllable? Who knows.

And of course Otto Lillienthal had weight-shift gliders flying
successfully from 1893 or so.

Frank

Frank van der Hulst wrote:
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Jughugs wrote:

On top of that... manned flight was invented HERE in the US... not in
that
dental-challenged, pompus, take credit for everything, dung-hole!


Actually controlled heavier than air flight was, not manned flight.
The Montgolfier of brothers of France were making manned flights in
hot air balloons in the 1700s.


Actually, controlled *powered* heavier than air flight... really quite a
small insignificant subset ;-)

Actually - CONTROLLED powered heaver than air flight was pioneered in
N.Z. by Pearce much as I hate to admit it, the Wright flyer was a long
way from controlled.

wrote:
Actually - CONTROLLED powered heaver than air flight was pioneered in
N.Z. by Pearce much as I hate to admit it, the Wright flyer was a long
way from controlled.

Much as I wish you were right, Pearse's flights were not controlled...
otherwise he wouldn't have landed on top of gorse hedges.

Frank

" wrote in message
...
Frank van der Hulst wrote:
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Jughugs wrote:

On top of that... manned flight was invented HERE in the US... not in
that
dental-challenged, pompus, take credit for everything, dung-hole!


Actually controlled heavier than air flight was, not manned flight.
The Montgolfier of brothers of France were making manned flights in
hot air balloons in the 1700s.


Actually, controlled *powered* heavier than air flight... really quite a
small insignificant subset ;-)

Actually - CONTROLLED powered heaver than air flight was pioneered in
N.Z. by Pearce much as I hate to admit it, the Wright flyer was a long
way from controlled.

Curiously, Pearce would have disagreed with you, and said as much in a 1923
letter to the local newspaper.

Tim Ward

There are several interesting articles on the net about Mr Pearse's early
flights in 1902/1903. Here is the most thorough one I found after a short
search:

http://avstop.com/History/AroundTheW.../research.html

It seems clear enough on the evidence that he was flying earlier than the
Wright Brothers but we shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Cheers
vk6ad
Perth Australia

vk6ad wrote:

There are several interesting articles on the net about Mr Pearse's early
flights in 1902/1903. Here is the most thorough one I found after a short
search:

http://avstop.com/History/AroundTheW.../research.html

It seems clear enough on the evidence that he was flying earlier than the
Wright Brothers but we shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Cheers
vk6ad
Perth Australia


Actually the article does say he was flying, but it also says the
flights were not controlled since they tended to wind up in hedges or
water. I would be curious about the prop that was straightened after the
crash into the hedges. If it was wood it would be hard to do that.

Danm U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

I would be curious about the prop that was straightened after the
crash into the hedges. If it was wood it would be hard to do that.

The picture I've seen showed a multi-bladed (8?, 10? blades) prop,
kind-of like what you see on the top of one of those old Australian
wanter-pump windmills. Each blade was made of bent sheet metal.

Frank

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:41:03 +0800, "vk6ad" philatwotechdotcomdotau
wrote:

There are several interesting articles on the net about Mr Pearse's early
flights in 1902/1903. Here is the most thorough one I found after a short
search:

http://avstop.com/History/AroundTheW.../research.html

It seems clear enough on the evidence that he was flying earlier than the
Wright Brothers but we shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Cheers
vk6ad
Perth Australia

Hmmm, right in the first paragraph of the very story you cite is this:
"Wild and inaccurate statements have been publicised from time to time
concerning Richard Pearse's achievements in the field of aviation.
However. no responsible researcher has ever claimed that he achieved
fully controlled flight before the Wright brothers, or indeed at any
time. To attain fully controlled flight a pilot would have to be able
to get his plane into the air, fly it on a chosen course and land it
at a predetermined destination. Obviously Pearse's short "hops" or
"flights", whilst they established the fact that he could readily
become airborne, did not come within this category, but neither, for
that matter, did the first powered flights of the Wright brothers in
December 1903. The Wiight brothers, however, had the resources
necessary to continue their experimentation until they achieved fully
controlled flight."

This appears to state unequivocally that Pearce did not achieve
controlled flight before the Wright Bros. Did you actually read the
information you cited?

Corky Scott

Frank van der Hulst wrote:

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

I would be curious about the prop that was straightened after the
crash into the hedges. If it was wood it would be hard to do that.


The picture I've seen showed a multi-bladed (8?, 10? blades) prop,
kind-of like what you see on the top of one of those old Australian
wanter-pump windmills. Each blade was made of bent sheet metal.

Frank

That would have been logical at the time. The U.S. was full of windmills
like that too.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired