Could training at a towered airport have prevented the ADIZ bust

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are
they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled
airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it
to
CNN.

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.



JKG

That's simply not true.

I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

I don't know what it is about cuffing people that some cops are
addicted to. Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases. Maybe its a feeling of power or a public show
that they are doing something. I can see in case of physically
dangerous or armed individuals. Guess humans never really get past the
dark ages syndrome.

"abripl" wrote in message
oups.com...
I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

I don't know what it is about cuffing people that some cops are
addicted to. Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases. Maybe its a feeling of power or a public show
that they are doing something. I can see in case of physically
dangerous or armed individuals. Guess humans never really get past the
dark ages syndrome.


Well, let's think about this for a minute. You have people that have broken
the law or that you highly suspect have done so. You have a person or
persons there who is armed and has that weapon in a holster. The armed
person may need to use thier hands for something other than control the
suspect.

Oh, wait the suspect has hands to that just might be able to reach out and
grab the weapon. So, the officer says hey cool I have the neat things on my
belt that will allow me to do my job and at the same time make sure that the
suspect doesn't get my gun and shoot me with it.

I don't believe it has anything to do with being from an uncontrolled
field. Perhaps more from trying to fly an unfamilar route straight
through the ADIZ. Would love to see their planned route on their map.

But it brings up the thought that if they'd simply been using flight
following, the whole mess would've probably been avoided.

So one question is (because I don't know), is flight following easy to
get in that area?

Thanks!

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.

???

Mary and I fly from an uncontrolled airfield, are not instrument-rated, and
talk to ATC on nearly every flight.

And we're in Iowa -- supposedly the far corner of the galaxy.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

All the talking in the world won't help when the radio's busted. O'Brien's
full of it.

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Howdy!

In article .com,
Bucky wrote:
H.P. wrote:
I must say, the sight of one sitting on the ground cuffed while the
other
was cuffed prone, flat on the runway made me sick and angry. It was
unnecessary.

This kind of treatment is routine. If this is the worst case of
unnecessary force used by law enforcement, then we're in really good
shape. (Remember the kidnapping of Elian by the feds, pointing an
assault rifle inches from the boy's face?)

I call bull**** on you. First for calling it "kidnapping". Second for
misrepresenting the placement of the rifle (and conveniently ignoring
the important (and easily seen) placement of the trigger finger).

yours,
Michael

--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/wwap/

Jonathan Goodish wrote:

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.

What do you base this theory on? Speculation? Gut feel? Facts?


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

abripl wrote:

I don't know what it is about cuffing people that some cops are
addicted to.

What it is is that entirely too many cops have been killedv or injured because
they didn't cuff someone.

Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases.

Yep. I remember a routine traffic stop in Knoxville back around 1970. The driver
shot the officer through the door and drove away. Made a few changes to the
rules right there.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which someone
said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.