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Dudley Henriques wrote:
One of my favorites. If you can handle a 38, you can handle anything in the
inventory.

A friend of mine completed T-38 school, only to be told there were no
fighter slots.
They sent him to helicopter school and he completed his tour flying Air
Force VIP's around Germany in Huey's and Loaches.

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Too bad you guys can't try the T38..........can't see the wings at
all!!!!!

There's a great write-up on the T-38 in this month's "Air & Space"
magazine. Man, it sounds like a great plane.

One of my favorites. If you can handle a 38, you can handle anything in
the inventory.
Dudley

That speaks volumes regarding it's longevity as an advanced
trainer...wouldn't you say?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Yes I would. The one assigned to me in 1975 was a NASA conversion T38A with
angle of attack indexing. It's still flying as far as I know..... and I'm
not :-))
Dudley

Jay Honeck wrote:

Too bad you guys can't try the T38..........can't see the wings at
all!!!!!


There's a great write-up on the T-38 in this month's "Air & Space" magazine.
Man, it sounds like a great plane.

I always thought it one of the sleekest looking to be sure.

Matt

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

NASA conversion T38A with
angle of attack indexing.

Wahzat?
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Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

NASA conversion T38A with
angle of attack indexing.

Wahzat?
--
Jim in NC

Most AF T38's didn't use an angle of attack indexer (arrows and donut). The
NASA T38's used by the Naval Test Pilot School had them installed.
With an AOA indexer, the approach is flown a bit differently than without
one in your visual cues.
By keeping the donut lit, the airplane seeks the optimum approach AOA
regardless of gross weight. (In the 38, this is at .6)
Without the indexer, you can of course fly the approach on the AOA
indicator, which is a bit harder as the indexer is a direct read (high, low,
or on speed) and the indicator is a steam gauge.
Without using AOA for the approach in a T38, you need to calculate the
remaining fuel on a base final speed of 155KIAS + 1Kt per 100LBS fuel
1000LBS remaining.
You can fly the approach either way, but the indexer makes it a lot easier
since it's mounted on the top of the glare shield and you fly final using
direct visual cues and peripheral vision on the donut (on speed).
Dudley

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

Most AF T38's didn't use an angle of attack indexer (arrows and donut).
The
NASA T38's used by the Naval Test Pilot School had them installed.
With an AOA indexer, the approach is flown a bit differently than without
one in your visual cues.
By keeping the donut lit, the airplane seeks the optimum approach AOA
regardless of gross weight. (In the 38, this is at .6)

I understand the concept, but have never seen the device. (lucky me, if I
ever get to fly in something with one)
--
Jim in NC

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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote

Most AF T38's didn't use an angle of attack indexer (arrows and donut).
The
NASA T38's used by the Naval Test Pilot School had them installed.
With an AOA indexer, the approach is flown a bit differently than without
one in your visual cues.
By keeping the donut lit, the airplane seeks the optimum approach AOA
regardless of gross weight. (In the 38, this is at .6)

I understand the concept, but have never seen the device. (lucky me, if I
ever get to fly in something with one)
--
Jim in NC

For extremely high performance airplanes, flying final using an AOA indexer
makes managing the wing a lot easier. The Navy uses an indexer because the
carrier approach has to be so stabilized. With the AF, it's a so so issue.
D

Morgans wrote:

I understand the concept, but have never seen the device. (lucky me, if I
ever get to fly in something with one)

http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_cec_idxlights.htm

George Patterson
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use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

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Morgans wrote:

I understand the concept, but have never seen the device. (lucky me, if
I
ever get to fly in something with one)

http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_cec_idxlights.htm

Thanks, George.

I have seen a similar item for homebuilt airplanes (and maybe certified)

It worked off of a port on the top of the wing, and a port on the bottom.
It may be something I have to re-invent, one of these days.
--
Jim in NC