airfields with a tower that doesn't control pilots?

In a previous article, "Peter Weaver" said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
the ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
...

I always say "St. Catharines Radio" and have never had anyone get upset.

Which is exactly what I said.

so they know that I am a local, but you are probably pronouncing St.
Catharines the way you spell it so they know that you are not from
around the area.

Your condescention is misplaced.

Next time, try reading what I actually wrote.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty will be charged to
dangers, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison

Paul Tomblin wrote:
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Which is exactly what I said.
...

Right, I misread what you wrote and forgot to add the at the end.
Sorry.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca

OK, I'll bite...

How *do* you say "St. Catharine's"?

Les

"Peter Weaver" wrote in message
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Paul Tomblin wrote:
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Which is exactly what I said.
...

Right, I misread what you wrote and forgot to add the at the end.
Sorry.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca

"Peter Weaver"
Paul Tomblin wrote:
the ones you talk to (you say "St. Catherines Radio" instead of "St.
Catherines Traffic" or they get upset with you), but they tell you the
...

I always say "St. Catharines Radio" and have never had anyone get upset.

Is there a St. Catherines FSS or FIC?

moo

Happy Dog wrote:
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Is there a St. Catharines FSS or FIC?
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AFAIK it is a FSS.

--
Peter Weaver
Weaver Consulting Services Inc.
Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX
www.weaverconsulting.ca

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
Last week I was in Greenland, at Narsarsuaq, formerly the USAAF and
USAF airfield Bluie West One.

It's a fabulous place, but one aspect of the Narsarsuaq airfield
really astonished me. There is a tower, six days a week during normal
daylight hours, but the tower only gives advice; the pilot is always
in control, and makes his own decisions.

Is this very unusual?

Unicom. Just a guy giving friendly advice.

There are some private airports which have towers that can give or deny
permission to land at the pilot's discretion. Downsview airport in Toronto
(Bombardier facility and military base) has a tower (in the physical sense)
with an operator that replies "cleared to land at your discretion" if you're
welcome. But it isn't a clearance in the ATC sense of the word.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:

(Bombardier facility and military base) has a tower (in the physical sense)
with an operator that replies "cleared to land at your discretion"

This is a contradiction in itself. This operator musn't give any
clearances and hence musn't use the "cleared". It is very important to
understand this.

Stefan

"Stefan"

(Bombardier facility and military base) has a tower (in the physical
sense) with an operator that replies "cleared to land at your discretion"

This is a contradiction in itself. This operator musn't give any
clearances and hence musn't use the "cleared". It is very important to
understand this.

The "operator" can't give the kind of "clearance" ATC gives. But they can
grant permission to land and I don't know of any regulation that makes it
illegal for them to use the word "cleared" when doing so. I've never heard
them say "cleared" without following it with "at your discretion". They're
talking to pilots who are required to know that a Unicom is not an ATC
facility. And sometimes they can give or refuse permission to land (private
facility) and sometimes they can't (public one).

moo

Happy Dog wrote:

The "operator" can't give the kind of "clearance" ATC gives. But they can
grant permission to land and I don't know of any regulation that makes it
illegal for them to use the word "cleared" when doing so. I've never heard
them say "cleared" without following it with "at your discretion".

In ICAO terminology, the word "cleared" is reserved for ATC clearances
and it is most confusing and dangerous if the term is used carelessly by
other persons. At uncontrolled fields, AFIS just says "land at your
discretion" or simply "welcome", but without any clearance.

And sometimes they can give or refuse permission to land (private
facility) and sometimes they can't (public one).

Of course, they can always refuse the premission to land (except on
emergencies, of course). In this case, they simply say "you're not
allowed to land".

Stefan

"Stefan"
The "operator" can't give the kind of "clearance" ATC gives. But they
can grant permission to land and I don't know of any regulation that
makes it illegal for them to use the word "cleared" when doing so. I've
never heard them say "cleared" without following it with "at your
discretion".

In ICAO terminology, the word "cleared" is reserved for ATC clearances and
it is most confusing and dangerous if the term is used carelessly by other
persons. At uncontrolled fields, AFIS just says "land at your discretion"
or simply "welcome", but without any clearance.

They shouldn't use the word "cleared". But they can and do.It doesn't
confuse me. Would anyone here really find it confusing?

And sometimes they can give or refuse permission to land (private
facility) and sometimes they can't (public one).

Of course, they can always refuse the premission to land (except on
emergencies, of course). In this case, they simply say "you're not allowed
to land".

Not at a public facility.

moo