More Katrina

George Patterson wrote:
N93332 wrote:

That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...

They put TFRs in place this afternoon.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50830tfrs.html

4 planes busted his left coast TFR on Tuesday... News said nobody was
arrested. FOXnews scrolled something about shooting planes down in DC
again. Didn't see it repeated and only caught the tailend of it one time...

Darrel Toepfer wrote:

4 planes busted his left coast TFR on Tuesday... News said nobody was
arrested.

Doesn't mean much. You don't get arrested for violation of a TFR (though there
are rumblings in Congress about changing this with respect to the DC ADIZ) --
you get violated by the FAA. Any idea whether the FAA acted on these?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"N93332" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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Local Channel 5 is flying its Robinson 44 helicopter up and down the
coast, sending back video.

Holy ****.

This is far worse than we were being told even this morning. Whole
sections of Biloxi are leveled. Multi-story casinos have been driven all
the way across Hwy 90 and into neighborhoods. It looks like the city has
been carpet bombed.

Hancock County, to the west of Biloxi, is expected to be *worse*! How
that could be possible, I do not know.

And New Orleans is leaking and being looted.

This is awful beyond the wildest nightmare.

And now Dubya says he's going to cut his vacation short to go and view the
damage. That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter rescue
operations...


Hey Knee-Jerk. There is already 3 TFRs in the area and when has a President
not visited a disaster site?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
news:W1jRe.6898$7f5.2704@okepread01...
And now Dubya says he's going to cut his vacation short to go and view
the damage. That's all they need, a TFR to shut down all the helicopter
rescue operations...


Hey Knee-Jerk. There is already 3 TFRs in the area and when has a
President not visited a disaster site?

If you read my response, you'll note that I made the mistake of
misunderstanding the NBC news report saying that Mr. Bush was going from his
vacation in Texas directly to the hurricane damage area. After posting that
response, I checked some news websites to find out that Mr. Bush isn't going
right away.

I do expect a president of either party to make a visit, just not
'immediately'. I apologize for the previous response...

-Greg B.

Listening to CNN, they are commenting on how Bush-1 was criticized for
not going to Florida following Andrew.
It seems like W's handlers are working hard to not let their boy be
acquised of making the same mistake.
The parallels are amusing.
If it's not one thing (Iraq) it's another (hurricane damage).
To borrow (loosely) from GM, "This is not your daddy's Oldsmobile."
:-))

"john smith" wrote in message . ..
Listening to CNN, they are commenting on how Bush-1 was criticized for not going to Florida following Andrew.
It seems like W's handlers are working hard to not let their boy be acquised of making the same mistake.
The parallels are amusing.
If it's not one thing (Iraq) it's another (hurricane damage).
To borrow (loosely) from GM, "This is not your daddy's Oldsmobile."
:-))

oh well, back to piloting...

I would be pretty cool to buzz the beach with a 747 (Bush did it today)

back OT

I can't imagine what those folks on the ground thought; look, there goes AF1, I wonder if he has any fresh water? Is
that thing air-conditioned? Maybe they'll drop some food?

("john smith" wrote)
Listening to CNN, they are commenting on how Bush-1 was criticized for not
going to Florida following Andrew.
It seems like W's handlers are working hard to not let their boy be
acquised of making the same mistake.


(ramblings...)

Remember the (1990's) Clinton flap over FEMA aid not going to Republican
stronghold disaster areas?

Democratic areas would have a small hailstorm roll through their area, and
suddenly, Federal Disaster Relief money would start raining down from the
heavens. Republican districts would need an F-5 tornado parking itself over
their town, for a week, before they were allowed to apply for help from
Washington. :-)

I'm wondering why the levees broke?? Grand Forks, ND (1997) sure, they got
nailed by floodwaters, then fire. Tough break. N.O. (2005) ...your city is
below sea level people!! Those levees should have been ...oh, never mind.
:-(

Salt Lake City (1999) medium size tornado makes a direct hit on Downtown -
No Looting.

People across the city stopped what they were doing and cleaned up the
mess - until the job was done - then resumed what they were doing. No
comparing the two natural disasters, but no comparing the preparedness of
the two local governments, and reaction of the citizens either.

CBS news (Tuesday) said people were looting out of a need to survive. It had
only been 18 hours folks!! CBS news is banned from this house for the rest
of the year.

GTW, Margene knows I mean business with my TV news station bans - I've been
"double secret probation" banning different outlets for over a decade. ABC
(A for arrogant) news was banned from our home for 6 months, after their
9-11 carping about W 'hiding' and not being back in Washington that first
afternoon. I didn't care if it was Clinton, Carter, Reagan, Ford, Nixon or W
....I wanted my President's butt up in Air Force One that day!!

Our local FOX outlet gets turned off, mid story, at least twice a week.

W needs to make a Marine One fly-over - that's it. Back in Washington he
needs to "go" up to The Hill and meet in the offices of the Senators and
Congresspeople of that region - photo ops all around are ok. Then he needs
to have them all over for a morning prayer breakfast and more photo ops in
the White House.

Send First Lady Laura Bush to the Gulf Coast...and Cheney, if anyone knows
where he is. He can tour the damaged oil rigs.

'43' should hold off making his entrance for 3 more days.


Montblack

"Dan Luke" wrote:
Holy ****.

This is far worse than we were being told even this morning. Whole
sections of Biloxi are leveled. Multi-story casinos have been driven
all the way across Hwy 90 and into neighborhoods. It looks like the
city has been carpet bombed.

Hancock County, to the west of Biloxi, is expected to be *worse*! How
that could be possible, I do not know.


The damage is exactly what knowledgeable people would expect from a
strong cat 4 or marginal cat 5 hurricane hitting such an area.
Welcome to Hurricane Reality 101.

The lesson has been taught many times in the past but it is a lesson
conveniently forgotten by many. Indeed, sometimes the lesson is never
learned in the first place. I just saw an interview on TV with a
woman whose wood frame house was reduced to rubble by Katrina. She
remarked, "We made it through Camille so I thought we could make it
through this one". What she didn't realize, and what most people
don't realize, is that a mere 10 miles one way or the other in cat 4
or 5 hurricane can mean the difference between total destruction or
just a few tree limbs down. In truth, that lady didn't "make it
through Camille", she made it through the periphery of Camille. She,
like most, didn't understand the difference. It's a crap shoot, and
those who win the bet a few times and escape the eye wall often become
emboldened and mistakenly believe that they know what hurricanes are
all about. Yesterday, such ignorance killed hundreds of people.

The levee breach and the resulting flooding of New Orleans is a sad
testament to man's arrogance in trying to re-engineer nature. With
upwards of 50,000 people remaining in a city with no functional
plumbing, the flooded streets will soon be awash with sewage and other
contaminates. Potable water is scarce. Widespread disease and
pestilence could follow. Hundreds have died and thousands more may
die. There are more than 25,000 people in a Superdome with no
functional plumbing. They must be evacuated immediately. The water
level in the streets is rising as the basin pumps fail one by one.
The true scope of this disaster on a human scale is only beginning to
be played out. The official response so far has been underwhelming.
A much larger mobilization is needed.

Meanwhile, president Bush is at a Naval Air Station in Colorado making
a speech in which he compares his administration's politically
motivated hegemony in Iraq with WW2. "Once again we will not rest
until victory is America's and our freedom is secure." Any American
who buys in to such bull**** is a ****ing idiot.

Well TL, quite a diatribe... I do not disagree with the basic premise
of your argument about some people being blind to reality and basically
stupid... Which is exactly what shows in your twisting about at the end
to make this storm and your diatribe an excuse for a political attack
upon the president, complete with vulgar language...
Whether you agree or disagree with the Bush administration starting a
war in Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with the extent of the damage
from the hurricane or the response of the local and federal
governmental units to that disaster... You would be better off, and so
would we, if you take your political crap and your cursing off this
newsgroup and go inhabit one of the politcal forums...

Dennis o'Connor
Hemlock, Mi

"Denny" wrote:

Well TL, quite a diatribe... I do not disagree with the basic premise
of your argument about some people being blind to reality and basically
stupid... Which is exactly what shows in your twisting about at the end
to make this storm and your diatribe an excuse for a political attack
upon the president, complete with vulgar language...

In other words, "Oh, he said a bad word! Oh, he attacked the
president's policy! I'm shocked! I'm mortified!"

Go back to your choir loft, Denny boy. My comments stand correct as
stated, all four paragraphs. Sometimes the truth stings, huh? In
case you haven't noticed, this newsgroup is rife with political
commentary and vulgar language both on and off topic. Such is the
nature of USENET. I'll continue to post what I wish, when I wish, and
where I wish. To that end: Those who buy into the administration's
war in Iraq have their head firmly buried in the sand, and, yes, to me
they are ****ing idiots. Deal with it.