Flying Lessons

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:07:12 GMT, "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com
wrote:

Casy-

Im extremely fresh at this what is a PP-ASEL




Whose Lear jets are you planning to fly, you're own? Or are you
considering commercial operations for your hobby? You should be aware
they require two flight crew as well as a type rating and recurrent
training. Some light jets only require one pilot.

Eventually once all certificates are acquired yes I do plan to fly my
own. I'm not really wanting to be involved with working for anyone.
Mostly just to visit folks and attend events in other cities and
states and the occassional airplane only access fishing trip. Maybe a
flight over the backwoods of Alaska stuff like that.

Of course you didn't mean it, but you did cause me to conjur up the
apparition of a Lear-60 on floats.
In all honesty, my thoughts are that you should before anything
else, just go get your PP-ASEL. You need to start there in case, so go do
that -- first. Forget all the other stuff until then.

All this boils down to how much money you have to spend.

Everyone here focused on Lear, and keeps telling you they are flown by
two pilots. True enough, but the fact is that Cessna makes a single
pilot Citation jet, and quite a few people own those as personal
self-flown airplanes. So assuming that's what you're going for (a
6-person 450-mph jet) here's what you need to do:

Get your private, instrument, multi-instrument, and Citation type
rating in that order. You will probably need to rack up some multi
time before anyone will try to teach you in a Citation. All of this,
including the practice time required, can probably be made to happen
for less than $120K in under 500 hours. If you push it, you can
probably make it all happen in a year or so. If the price tag is out
of reach for you, you can't afford the private jet anyway.

If in the process you buy a transition airplane (most likely a twin -
something like a Cessna 310 that is reasonable for training but has
adequate performance for some utility) then you can start getting
utility from your flying about 4 months or so into the game.

If you actually want to be insured (even for liability only) then the
first year of jet ownership will probably mean having an instructor
pilot in the jet in any case - nobody will write you any other way, if
at all.

Michael

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:07:12 GMT, "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com
wrote:

Casy-

Im extremely fresh at this what is a PP-ASEL


Private Pilot - Single Engine Land

Thanks for the heads up Michael. I am aware of all those classes
except for the Multi-Instrument can you take that class at your local
flight school or do I need to find a different avenue for that.

On 20 Sep 2005 15:45:16 -0700, "Michael"
wrote:

All this boils down to how much money you have to spend.

Everyone here focused on Lear, and keeps telling you they are flown by
two pilots. True enough, but the fact is that Cessna makes a single
pilot Citation jet, and quite a few people own those as personal
self-flown airplanes. So assuming that's what you're going for (a
6-person 450-mph jet) here's what you need to do:

Get your private, instrument, multi-instrument, and Citation type
rating in that order. You will probably need to rack up some multi
time before anyone will try to teach you in a Citation. All of this,
including the practice time required, can probably be made to happen
for less than $120K in under 500 hours. If you push it, you can
probably make it all happen in a year or so. If the price tag is out
of reach for you, you can't afford the private jet anyway.

If in the process you buy a transition airplane (most likely a twin -
something like a Cessna 310 that is reasonable for training but has
adequate performance for some utility) then you can start getting
utility from your flying about 4 months or so into the game.

If you actually want to be insured (even for liability only) then the
first year of jet ownership will probably mean having an instructor
pilot in the jet in any case - nobody will write you any other way, if
at all.

Michael

Thanks Jay

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:47:19 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:07:12 GMT, "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com
wrote:

Casy-

Im extremely fresh at this what is a PP-ASEL


Private Pilot - Single Engine Land

"Steve" wrote:

Yes. In fact, you could do it all at the same time, but it would most
likely
be impractical.


Thanks for your input Dan. Why would you consider it impratical?

Awfully expensive to learn the basics in a bizjet. Doing s-turns across
a road in a Lear would be fun, I guess. Still, if money is no object, no
doubt you could train ab initio in a Citation or similar. If you
actually do this, it should make for some fascinating usenet posts.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote:

Yes. In fact, you could do it all at the same time, but it would most
likely
be impractical.


Thanks for your input Dan. Why would you consider it impratical?

Awfully expensive to learn the basics in a bizjet. Doing s-turns across a
road in a Lear would be fun, I guess.

SNIP

Provided you are doing them in Texas over I-10 ...

:O)

Jay B

Thanks for the heads up Michael. I am aware of all those classes
except for the Multi-Instrument can you take that class at your local
flight school or do I need to find a different avenue for that.

If your local flight school has a twin, you can take the
multi-instrument there. Some do, some don't. Note that they may not
call it multi-instrument. When you take a multi ride as an instrument
rated private pilot, you have the option of taking a VFR-only ride (and
getting a VFR-only multi, your instrument privileges restricted to
singles) or a ride with IFR components (an engine failure on
instruments and a single engine approach) that will give you IFR
privileges in the twin. The latter is what you want.

The class you will definitely need to travel to is the one that will
get you a Citation type rating.

Michael

That's a valuable tip. I'll look for flight schools with twins first
and see if I can get a good match with the instructors. If not I'll go
the single engine route first. I think the instructor for that is more
important than the twin right now. Thanks again Michael.

On 20 Sep 2005 16:31:46 -0700, "Michael"
wrote:

Thanks for the heads up Michael. I am aware of all those classes
except for the Multi-Instrument can you take that class at your local
flight school or do I need to find a different avenue for that.

If your local flight school has a twin, you can take the
multi-instrument there. Some do, some don't. Note that they may not
call it multi-instrument. When you take a multi ride as an instrument
rated private pilot, you have the option of taking a VFR-only ride (and
getting a VFR-only multi, your instrument privileges restricted to
singles) or a ride with IFR components (an engine failure on
instruments and a single engine approach) that will give you IFR
privileges in the twin. The latter is what you want.

The class you will definitely need to travel to is the one that will
get you a Citation type rating.

Michael

You can get your Multi without an Instrument Rating. He just wouldn't be
able to fly his jet in the flight levels with out the Instrument Rating. :-)

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

Paul kgyy wrote:
Well, once you get your PPL and IR, you just move on to the
multi-engine by renting a Piper Seneca and working your way up to the
LJ, or go directly to the LJ. I hear they are not all that hard to
fly. I have no idea what the rental cost would be, but fuel alone for
those babies costs a mint. You'll probably have to rent from a flight
school, and they charge more than your local FBO who might have a twin
available for training.

As others have said, just a matter of time and money. I might also add
aptitude, since some people turn out to have no ability to fly.