Another reason to fly yourself

Yes! Back in 1977 (after my parent's divorce) my little brother & I flew
on all the great airlines from Boston to Tampa. You know, Eastern, People
Express, Piedmont... The tix were about $1200 round trip, each, for one
8-year old and one 4-year old. No non-stops. I think it took 8 hours
door-to-door for many flights (but forgive me if my memory is not perfect;
after all, I was 8 years old).

I'm not sure I'd lump "People's Express" and "Piedmont" under the banner of
"Great Airlines."

Truly great airlines were Pan Am, TWA, United, and American. By '77 they
had already sown their seeds of decline, although no one knew it at the
time.
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Iowa City, IA
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"three-eight-hotel" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've always wondered... Why is it, everytime we jump on an airline,
for even a short one or two hour hop to a fairly close destination, we
are suddenly starving??? I'm guilty myself! I get in my seat, enjoy
my window-seat view of the take-off, and start looking for that food
cart to come around!!!
Pavlovian response!!!

Paul kgyy wrote:

"American Eagle said Thursday it will charge $1 each for a can of soda
and a bag of cashews on flights into and out of Los Angeles next month."

Hmmm.. most FBOs I visit charge $1.25 or more for soda. Looks like
American Eagle is a good deal. ;-)

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:
Paul kgyy wrote:

"American Eagle said Thursday it will charge $1 each for a can of soda
and a bag of cashews on flights into and out of Los Angeles next month."

Hmmm.. most FBOs I visit charge $1.25 or more for soda. Looks like
American Eagle is a good deal. ;-)

Right. There are lots of good reasons to fly yourself, but cost isn't
one of them. Not by a long shot.

In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: Right. There are lots of good reasons to fly yourself, but cost isn't
: one of them. Not by a long shot.

As far as *direct* operating costs, it's usually cheaper to fly yourself if
it's within 500nm. You know... about the same range as it's potentially feasible to
drive...

The indirect expenses and easily ignored as the fixed expenses of the "hobby."
Heh...

-Cory

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* Cory Papenfuss *
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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Just rememeber that the cost of ticket is not the only expense in
flying commercially of GA.


Other expenses a

Additional Rental Car expenses, often have to drive farther than if
flying GA.
Additional Hotel Expenses, Often will have to stay additional nights to
make Commercial Schedules work.
If you are a business flying multiple employees. then additional
Salaries and the above expenses can really add up.

Brian

I flew commercial from West Palm Beach to Kansas City MO a few months ago.
Got pulled aside for a random search, which was pretty stupid. I could have
knitted a knife with my hair and stabbed the person beside me with it. The
TSA is truly nuts, reflecting it's association with the newly formed office
of remarkably extreme paranoia (Homeland Security). They need to really
decide if a $ 450,000 Cirrus Sr-22 can do as much damage as a $ 39.00/day
Uhaul truck. I digress ...

All things considered, it took a huge amount of time messing around with TSA
nonsense, checking in and out, waiting in Atlanta for a 2.3 hour connection,
etc. I could have walked there. I feel great sorrow for today's airlines
(what's left of them). The former arrogance of large companies such as
Eastern Airlines has certainly caught up with American and Delta. They now
treat their clients as mini cash-cows. It's not pretty. I tried to get an
earlier flight that was leaving in minutes rather than the 2.3 hours and was
told to pony up cash. What a way to treat a customer. The only reason I had
to wait 2.3 hours is because of Delta's schedule that put me on the plane.

Anything under 7 or 8 hundred miles and I'll just fly myself. Better food,
much more fun, quicker when you add up all the time wasting.
Marty from Rainy Palm Beach Florida


wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: Right. There are lots of good reasons to fly yourself, but cost isn't
: one of them. Not by a long shot.

As far as *direct* operating costs, it's usually cheaper to fly yourself
if
it's within 500nm. You know... about the same range as it's potentially
feasible to
drive...

The indirect expenses and easily ignored as the fixed expenses of the
"hobby."
Heh...

-Cory

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************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss *
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

I get on earlier flights all the time on Continental if they
have a seat and I've never been asked to pay extra. I go through
Houston to the midwest out of MIA.



Marty from Florida wrote:
I flew commercial from West Palm Beach to Kansas City MO a few months ago.
Got pulled aside for a random search, which was pretty stupid. I could have
knitted a knife with my hair and stabbed the person beside me with it. The
TSA is truly nuts, reflecting it's association with the newly formed office
of remarkably extreme paranoia (Homeland Security). They need to really
decide if a $ 450,000 Cirrus Sr-22 can do as much damage as a $ 39.00/day
Uhaul truck. I digress ...

All things considered, it took a huge amount of time messing around with TSA
nonsense, checking in and out, waiting in Atlanta for a 2.3 hour connection,
etc. I could have walked there. I feel great sorrow for today's airlines
(what's left of them). The former arrogance of large companies such as
Eastern Airlines has certainly caught up with American and Delta. They now
treat their clients as mini cash-cows. It's not pretty. I tried to get an
earlier flight that was leaving in minutes rather than the 2.3 hours and was
told to pony up cash. What a way to treat a customer. The only reason I had
to wait 2.3 hours is because of Delta's schedule that put me on the plane.

Anything under 7 or 8 hundred miles and I'll just fly myself. Better food,
much more fun, quicker when you add up all the time wasting.
Marty from Rainy Palm Beach Florida


wrote in message
...

In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: Right. There are lots of good reasons to fly yourself, but cost isn't
: one of them. Not by a long shot.

As far as *direct* operating costs, it's usually cheaper to fly yourself

if

it's within 500nm. You know... about the same range as it's potentially

feasible to

drive...

The indirect expenses and easily ignored as the fixed expenses of the

"hobby."

Heh...

-Cory

--

************************************************ *************************
* Cory Papenfuss *
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************ *************************

Delta is one of a select few that now charges for same-day standby..
One other is ATA. It's a stupid policy that only serves to alienate the
customer - I now will spend the extra $50 with another carrier if given
the choice, since getting home a few hours early is always a desirable
action...

"Marty from Florida" marty@-x-x-x- remove -x-x- worth.net wrote in
:

I flew commercial from West Palm Beach to Kansas City MO a few months
ago. Got pulled aside for a random search, which was pretty stupid. I
could have knitted a knife with my hair and stabbed the person beside
me with it. The TSA is truly nuts, reflecting it's association with
the newly formed office of remarkably extreme paranoia (Homeland
Security). They need to really decide if a $ 450,000 Cirrus Sr-22 can
do as much damage as a $ 39.00/day Uhaul truck. I digress ...

All things considered, it took a huge amount of time messing around
with TSA nonsense, checking in and out, waiting in Atlanta for a 2.3
hour connection, etc. I could have walked there. I feel great sorrow
for today's airlines (what's left of them). The former arrogance of
large companies such as Eastern Airlines has certainly caught up with
American and Delta. They now treat their clients as mini cash-cows.
It's not pretty. I tried to get an earlier flight that was leaving in
minutes rather than the 2.3 hours and was told to pony up cash. What
a
way to treat a customer. The only reason I had to wait 2.3 hours is
because of Delta's schedule that put me on the plane.

Anything under 7 or 8 hundred miles and I'll just fly myself. Better
food, much more fun, quicker when you add up all the time wasting.
Marty from Rainy Palm Beach Florida


wrote in message
...
In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: Right. There are lots of good reasons to fly yourself, but cost
: isn't one of them. Not by a long shot.

As far as *direct* operating costs, it's usually cheaper to fly
yourself
if
it's within 500nm. You know... about the same range as it's
potentially
feasible to
drive...

The indirect expenses and easily ignored as the fixed expenses of
the
"hobby."
Heh...

-Cory

--


************************************************** ********************
*** * Cory Papenfuss
* * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student
* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
*

************************************************** ********************
***

wrote in message
...
In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: Right. There are lots of good reasons to fly yourself, but cost isn't
: one of them. Not by a long shot.

As far as *direct* operating costs, it's usually cheaper to fly yourself
if
it's within 500nm. You know... about the same range as it's potentially
feasible to
drive...


A days work back in September by TN Bonanza.

Montrose to Wichita Falls - 530nm, 3hrs 5 min - Depart 5:30AM MDT, arrive
9:35AM CDT

Work with lawyers for upcoming developments, then contractors for
negotiations over lunch (I pop for the tab).

Depart Wichita Falls for Victoria, Kansas at 1:30PM, 305nm, 1 hr, 35 min -
arrive Hays at 3:00PM

Attend closings for two properties (my wife at one, myself at another) from
3:30 to 5:00PM

Depart Victoria at 6:00PM CDT, for Montrose (420nm), arrive Montrose at
7:30PM MDT.

A 14 hour day, but one that covered 1255nm in about 6 hours flying time.

Try that by car or even commuter airlines.


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO