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I have done the efficiency analysis, and had concluded that a switching
regulator did not perform much better than a straight DC current regulator. Firstly, the LM2576 is a voltage converter. You would still need to follow this with a constant current source to drive the LED. A more efficient approach is to use a current-mode converter, such as the ADP1864, which has a seperate current-sense pin. In either case, the benefits are not that overwhelming. The green LEDs need 700mA at 10V. There is an additional 0.5V drop across the wiring (cockpit to wingtip) that is unrecoverable. The conversion efficiency of ADP1864 chip is around 85% for 700mA at 10V. The overall efficiency of the system will be 82%, which is almost exactly the same as the simple DC current source. So there is no advantage in this case. The red LEDs need 1.4A at 6V. Doing the same analysis, the overall efficiency with the switching circuit will be 81%. The straight DC source has an efficiency of only 50%, so there is some advantage here. However, in real numbers, this difference amounts to only 250mA. I didn't think that was enough to justifying installing a switching system. The potential of a noise problem made the decision even easier. wrote: Andrew, Your powersupply is way too inefficient... use a National Semiconductor simple switcher LM2576 and you'll be much better off. Don't worry, it won't emit a bunch of RF with the toroidal inductor it uses... Dean Wilkinson |
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Hello
It was my impression that mounting the LED directly to the reflector (flashing aluminum) will not provide enough heat sinking. A large surface area is not the only determining factor because the thermal conductivity of the metal will limit how far the heat can spread. The thinner the metal, the worse the thermal conductivity. Flashing aluminum is only 1/100" thick so its conductivity is not very high. One could construct fins on the back side to increase the surface area, but commercial heat sinks do that much better. wrote: Great write up, and well documented and good composite stuff along with the electronics. I'll throw in my 2 cents, on top of an already good design. 1) Sometimes less is more, especially in aircraft. If one LED hits your numbers, go that way. With a single LED, it increases the benefits if a switching arrangement versus the linear one deployed. The hockey pucks mentioned elsewhere might be an easy way to go. As far as extra margin for degradation over time, this is really an issue for applications that run 24/7, but for an aircraft and then only the hours its used at night, these babies aren't going to see over 1000 hours in their life. 2) I hate fans/Heat sinking- airplanes and heat sinks are made out of the same stuff. Use your reflector as the heat sink by epoxying the LED to the reflector. So if you went that way you'd have an off the shelf circuit, one LED on each side, and no fans. |
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("karel" wrote)
PS Andrew, would you mind answering _below_ ? It really makes sense, you know... Besides, June is Top Posting Month at rec.aviation*. Montblack :-) |
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Hello It was my impression that mounting the LED directly to the reflector (flashing aluminum) will not provide enough heat sinking. A large surface area is not the only determining factor because the thermal conductivity of the metal will limit how far the heat can spread. The thinner the metal, the worse the thermal conductivity. Flashing aluminum is only 1/100" thick so its conductivity is not very high. One could construct fins on the back side to increase the surface area, but commercial heat sinks do that much better. I think you have a beautiful design with good tradeoffs, Andrew. However, if one were inclined to go fanless, there are heatsinks now that are much lighter will provide much greater surface area. It uses a much greater number of fins, and each is very thin. -- This is by far the hardest lesson about freedom. It goes against instinct, and morality, to just sit back and watch people make mistakes. We want to help them, which means control them and their decisions, but in doing so we actually hurt them (and ourselves)." |
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 05:16:51 GMT, Ernest Christley
wrote: Andrew Sarangan wrote: Hello It was my impression that mounting the LED directly to the reflector (flashing aluminum) will not provide enough heat sinking. A large surface area is not the only determining factor because the thermal conductivity of the metal will limit how far the heat can spread. The thinner the metal, the worse the thermal conductivity. Flashing aluminum is only 1/100" thick so its conductivity is not very high. One could construct fins on the back side to increase the surface area, but commercial heat sinks do that much better. I think you have a beautiful design with good tradeoffs, Andrew. However, if one were inclined to go fanless, there are heatsinks now that are much lighter will provide much greater surface area. It uses a much greater number of fins, and each is very thin. Ernest, it takes cross sectional area to conduct heat; if you look at the TRULY designed heatsinks to maximize heat transfer to air, you will note a tapered base with tapered fins, larger and thicker fins close, smaller and thinner further away. I am weak in describing this, but I think you will get the picture; think about holding a piece of aluminum foil 2 inches long in a candle flame, then a piece of 1/4" aluminum rod in the same flame. Your fingers won't get warm with the foil, but will burn with the rod. |
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Hi Andrew,
Here is what you do: Put a 0.1 ohm 1 Watt resistor in series with your LEDs between them and ground. Use an LM2904 op amp to amplify the voltage across the 0.1 ohm resistor such that the LM2904 outputs 1.2 VDC when the desired current is flowing through the resistor. The gain resistors you need is something you should be able to figure out. The output of the LM2905 op amp goes to the Feedback input of the LM2576. Best Regards, Dean Wilkinson |
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For some reason I thought you'd mentioned that it was .1". If its that
thin (.01") you might need to either use thicker stock or epoxy (with special high heat transfer epoxy) that heat sink behind the LED. |
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