Columbia crash...opinions

Look again, front seat passenger (adult), back seat passenger (adult male)
and I'm guessing that a litter with a medical patient behind the pilot, look
at the oxygen support and other medical supplies.

He was obviously heavy and not enough power available.
BT

"Kobra" wrote in message
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Check this clip out. What does everyone think happened here?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2XJYgcJU

It looks like a 182, so it had *some* muscle.

I think it must have been hot, maybe a high elevation, loaded with fuel,
people and equipment. But one passenger was a small boy so he couldn't
have been very heavy.

It also looks like a soft-field technique that was poorly executed and he
lost directional control and didn't lower the nose to build airspeed
first.

Very sad,

Kobra

("BTIZ" wrote)
Look again, front seat passenger (adult), back seat passenger (adult male)
and I'm guessing that a litter with a medical patient behind the pilot,
look at the oxygen support and other medical supplies.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2XJYgcJU

Is that the same (crash) plane or a second plane?

When I saw the post-crash fire and smoke, and the people on the ground being
treated, I figured the crash plane was toast.


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2XJYgcJU

Is that the same (crash) plane or a second plane?

When I saw the post-crash fire and smoke, and the people on the ground
being treated, I figured the crash plane was toast.

It's the same plane. The footage is in chronological order.

--Gary

("Gary Drescher" wrote)
It's the same plane. The footage is in chronological order.


What was the distraught FRONT seat passenger saying - through her tears? She
did not appear happy.

Was she an injured passenger, too - before the crash?


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Gary Drescher" wrote)
It's the same plane. The footage is in chronological order.

What was the distraught FRONT seat passenger saying - through her tears?
She did not appear happy.

I don't know Spanish, so I can't tell. Perhaps she's crying because her son
is ill, or because she's afraid of small planes.

Was she an injured passenger, too - before the crash?

No injury is apparent. (According to the accompanying text, the passengers
all died in the crash, and the pilot was critically burned.)

--Gary

"Kobra" wrote in message
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Check this clip out. What does everyone think happened here?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2XJYgcJU

It looks like a 182, so it had *some* muscle.

I think it must have been hot, maybe a high elevation, loaded with fuel,
people and equipment. But one passenger was a small boy so he couldn't
have been very heavy.

It also looks like a soft-field technique that was poorly executed and he
lost directional control and didn't lower the nose to build airspeed
first.

Very sad,

Kobra
Looks to me like maybe an aft C.G. condition....
It appears the pilot never had control of the airplane.

Frank

Probably a couple a factors going on here...but impossible to tell just from
a video.

1. Weight
2. CG problem..probably aft...which would make rudder potentially worthless
3. High altitude and hot.....
4. Grass strip....lengthening takeoff roll.

My guess is the plane was probably over weight with a rearward CG. This
would explain the nose up attitude and yawing of the aircraft. In addition,
I don't think he lost dirrectional control...he never had it.

Perhaps he is always used to rotating at 60 kts. Throw in the above factors
and not only will the plane not fly....but it will be difficult to control.
His needed rotating speed adjust for weight, altitude, temp, winds, may have
been much higher....grass strip wouldn't help matters either.

JMHO

One last thing....as soon as the plane lifts off the ground the right wing
dips...this would tell me that for whatever reason he had insufficient
airspeed to make the wing generate lift.

"Kobra" wrote in message
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Check this clip out. What does everyone think happened here?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2XJYgcJU

It looks like a 182, so it had *some* muscle.

I think it must have been hot, maybe a high elevation, loaded with fuel,
people and equipment. But one passenger was a small boy so he couldn't
have been very heavy.

It also looks like a soft-field technique that was poorly executed and he
lost directional control and didn't lower the nose to build airspeed
first.

Very sad,

Kobra

CG problem..probably aft...which would
make rudder potentially worthless.

Why? An aft CG will reduce the rudder's arm and increase the p-factor,
but it won't render it useless.

I"m not sure if I think this is really a weight issue. Yes, he may have
been over weight, but a C-182 (with a strong engine) will physically
take off and fly well over gross. Maybe he had too little runway and
tried to pull it into the air too soon? Again, the prop seemed to be
turning slow in the video, but I'm not a video expert and not familiar
with all the effects of the sample rate of the camera.

-Robert, CFI

Again, the prop seemed to be
turning slow in the video, but I'm not a video expert and not familiar
with all the effects of the sample rate of the camera.

I wonder if the audio track would give the engine RPM once averaged for
approaching and departing the camera location?