Amnesty for illegal immigrants will not happen this time.....................

Larry Dighera wrote:
On 31 Mar 2006 04:48:52 GMT, (Expert Humor)
wrote in ::


While children of illegal aliens are currently considered to be US
citizens, perhaps it's time to amend the law (retroactively) to
exclude the children of those who cross the US border ILLEGALLY from
that right.


How far back retroactively are you proposing to go?

If some foreign guy shows up today wanting U.S. citizenship, and says
he wants to purchase slaves from Africa and murder the local natives,
you can bet that he will be shipped back immediately. What do you
proposed we do with the descendents of the people who did exactly that
a few hundred years ago?

Maybe it is, but we do occasionally have a trial, even in
DC.


"Jose" wrote in message
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| I don't want
| bribery, graft and oligarchy which are the rule south of
the
| USA.
|
| That's not the rule here? Check out the DC area.
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| Jose
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If we could just start now, citizenship if you are conceived
and born here, of parents who are here legally with a visa
that is not a student or tourist visa, in other words,
parents who come here legally with the intention of becoming
citizens.

Also, we need to have English as the official language.



"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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| Larry Dighera wrote:
| On 31 Mar 2006 04:48:52 GMT,
(Expert Humor)
| wrote in ::
|
|
| While children of illegal aliens are currently
considered to be US
| citizens, perhaps it's time to amend the law
(retroactively) to
| exclude the children of those who cross the US border
ILLEGALLY from
| that right.
|
|
| How far back retroactively are you proposing to go?
|
| If some foreign guy shows up today wanting U.S.
citizenship, and says
| he wants to purchase slaves from Africa and murder the
local natives,
| you can bet that he will be shipped back immediately. What
do you
| proposed we do with the descendents of the people who did
exactly that
| a few hundred years ago?
|

Also, we need to have English as the official language.

No, we need Americans to learn foreign languages. We need Americans to
learn math and science. We need Americans to get out of their coccoon
and realize that the world around them is different from Main Street.

Jose
--
Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote

No, we need Americans to learn foreign languages. We need Americans to
learn math and science. We need Americans to get out of their coccoon and
realize that the world around them is different from Main Street.

So, Jose, what are we going to do, in our schools? How many languages are
we going to require our teachers to teach in? Should we have a different
school for each language?

America, that is USA, became what it is because it was a great melting pot,
and all
who came here made an effort to learn our ways, and contribute to our
society. Taking the approach that the rest of the US should learn the
newcomer's language does not contribute to the common good of the country.

Perhaps it is you that should get out of your cocoon.
--
Jim in NC

But all official transactions, such as voting and courts
should be in English.


"Jose" wrote in message
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| Also, we need to have English as the official language.
|
| No, we need Americans to learn foreign languages. We need
Americans to
| learn math and science. We need Americans to get out of
their coccoon
| and realize that the world around them is different from
Main Street.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:35:21 GMT, Jose
wrote in : :

Why do you infer hatred in my words? I've expressed no enmity.

Disenfranchising American Citizens as a matter of policy just because
their parents committed a crime is an act of hatred.

That is your opinion. It is certainly open to debate.

These American Citizens did nothing wrong. (You did say that you wanted it to be
retroactive).

Perhaps in the majority of cases that is true. But the law that
grants those born in the US US citizenship fails to address the point,
and its drafters probably overlooked the incentive it would cause if
it included those born to women who have entered the country
illegally. That needs to be fixed.

The Children of illegal immigrants also did nothing wrong. What is
special about =children= of legitimate citizens that they should be
citizens too, while children (born here) of foreigners (including
travellers or illegal immigrants) should not?

The family who nurtures and educates these children is ostensibly law
abiding and will instill that character trait in their offspring;
those who commit a crime to enter the US have patently indicated their
willingness to flout US law, and do not deserve the benefit of it.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:15:28 GMT, Jose
wrote in ::

Also, we need to have English as the official language.

No, we need Americans to learn foreign languages.

While that may be true enough in its own right, it doesn't apply to
the issue of illegal immigrants. We are a country made up of a
diverse mix of people, and thus are subject to cultural fragmentation
pressure already. To encourage immigrants not to learn the language
spoken in the US, is to encourage deepening cultural fragmentation.
While the rich variety of individual cultural heritages is valuable
and desirable, it is subordinate to the unity of the nation.

We need Americans to learn math and science.

And learn it better. But that doesn't seem to be germane to this
topic.

We need Americans to get out of their coccoon and realize that the
world around them is different from Main Street.


Aw, now you're picking on Mr. Honeck. :-)

At any rate, I fail to appreciate how enlightening the US citizenry
will have any impact on our failure to police our borders.

Morgans wrote:
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"Jose" wrote

No, we need Americans to learn foreign languages. We need Americans to
learn math and science. We need Americans to get out of their coccoon and
realize that the world around them is different from Main Street.

So, Jose, what are we going to do, in our schools? How many languages
are
we going to require our teachers to teach in? Should we have a
different
school for each language?

America, that is USA, became what it is because it was a great melting
pot,
and all
who came here made an effort to learn our ways, and contribute to our
society. Taking the approach that the rest of the US should learn the
newcomer's language does not contribute to the common good of the
country.

Perhaps it is you that should get out of your cocoon.

..
You are both right.
Americans need to learn more than one language, and more about the
world.
(These days, I'll settle if they will learn English and be able to find
the US on a World Map...)
However, a nation must have one official language. Observe Canada,
where in Quebec everything is and must be done in two languages. This
doubles the work. It's fine if a business wants to do this for its
customers, but to have all documents, etc. in multiple languages is
horribly inefficient. Especially in a real melting pot like
California. How many versions of a ballot or driver's ed book do you
need? English, Spanish, Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese.......

And because this is r.a.p, in how many languages should the FARs be
published? Placards in the airplane???

Larry, you can never, ever whine about an off-topic post with this crap

Yes, I am speaking for the universe.