Persian Tomcats in service

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
interesting artical...i think it will be good practice
for collitition (sp?) forces, to engage and practice
"their art".... remember, the f14 is over 30 yrs old...

And the SA-6 and radar tracking system that took down the first F-117
"Stealth" in Yugoslavia was how old?

And the eyeball-guided AAA in 'Nam?

Never bet your ass that modern technology will trump dedicated
ingenuity, even when fighting against sticks and rocks.

Rick

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Yofuri wrote:

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
interesting artical...i think it will be good practice
for collitition (sp?) forces, to engage and practice
"their art".... remember, the f14 is over 30 yrs old...

And the SA-6 and radar tracking system that took down the first F-117
"Stealth" in Yugoslavia was how old?

And the eyeball-guided AAA in 'Nam?

Never bet your ass that modern technology will trump dedicated
ingenuity, even when fighting against sticks and rocks.

Rick

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here here
and
hurumph

But they never listen...

Yofuri wrote:
~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
interesting artical...i think it will be good practice
for collitition (sp?) forces, to engage and practice
"their art".... remember, the f14 is over 30 yrs old...

And the SA-6 and radar tracking system that took down the first F-117
"Stealth" in Yugoslavia was how old?

And the eyeball-guided AAA in 'Nam?

Never bet your ass that modern technology will trump dedicated
ingenuity, even when fighting against sticks and rocks.

Rick

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Not an SA-6, but an SA-3. The 250th Rocket Brigade with SA-3s downed
82-806. Colonel Dani Zoltan's unit also downed F-16CG serial 88-0550
with an SA-3. There is an exhibition in the Yugoslav Aeronautical
Museum detailing the SA-3s of the 250th Rocket Brigade. Col Dani Zoltan
received an award from Milosevic himself during the conflict.

The SA-6 story gained status through the Russian Defence Minister. He
stated Kub and the system is still quoted to this day in relation to
82-806.

During 1999 Colonel Dani Zoltan appeared in a Yugoslav documentary and
revealed that the missile was the SA-3. Again in 2005 Zoltan retold his
story in greater detail.

TJ wrote:
Yofuri wrote:

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:

interesting artical...i think it will be good practice
for collitition (sp?) forces, to engage and practice
"their art".... remember, the f14 is over 30 yrs old...


And the SA-6 and radar tracking system that took down the first F-117
"Stealth" in Yugoslavia was how old?

And the eyeball-guided AAA in 'Nam?

Never bet your ass that modern technology will trump dedicated
ingenuity, even when fighting against sticks and rocks.

Rick

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Not an SA-6, but an SA-3. The 250th Rocket Brigade with SA-3s downed
82-806. Colonel Dani Zoltan's unit also downed F-16CG serial 88-0550
with an SA-3. There is an exhibition in the Yugoslav Aeronautical
Museum detailing the SA-3s of the 250th Rocket Brigade. Col Dani Zoltan
received an award from Milosevic himself during the conflict.

The SA-6 story gained status through the Russian Defence Minister. He
stated Kub and the system is still quoted to this day in relation to
82-806.

During 1999 Colonel Dani Zoltan appeared in a Yugoslav documentary and
revealed that the missile was the SA-3. Again in 2005 Zoltan retold his
story in greater detail.

Thanks for the update (backdate?).

Rick

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There's a very interesting article in the current issue of Combat Aircraft,
Vol 7, No. 6. It's by Tom Cooper and Liam F. Devlin and titled "Iran: A
Formidable Opponent?"

I was looking at the Cooper and Devlin article again last night and wanted
to add a little more information.

They state that they obtained a 1999 US intelligence community document
through the Freedom of Information Act that indicates that the US estimated
that the Iranians had 28 active F-14s and 29 in storage at that time.
However, they said that the Iranian government has also released photos and
videos of F-14s in operation after 1999 and that by comparing tail numbers,
the authors determined that the active number of aircraft is more like 44
instead of 28.

That doesn't seem unreasonable, although I'd love to know more about how
they did this analysis. That's an awful lot of planes to count based upon
photos and videos, and my guess is that they might have had some flightline
shots that depicted a lot of F-14s in service.

They also indicate that the Iranians probably had about 135 AIM-54 Phoenix
missiles after the Iran-Iraq war, but that by the 1990s, only about 40% of
these could be considered operational. The Iranians put a lot of effort
into upgrading the missiles to extend their shelf life, however.

Reading between the lines, the authors imply that their information on the
Iranian aircraft fleet started to dry up around 2000 or so. My guess is
that they had some good contacts with the older F-14 and other pilots, and
that some of these left the country after they retired. But by the late
1990s, this was much more rare.

Like I said, it's a really interesting article. The authors have clearly
done a lot of impressive research. My only question is about how reliable
the information is.





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