Learning from an owner annual

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Buy a [big] box or two of slide-lock baggies, put the
parts, with a label and tape them to the area near the
inspection cover. You can even add notes to yourself or the
other mechanic who is working on the airplane.

I've heard of owners replacing the standard fasteners with
nice shiny stainless steel screws. Trouble is you can get
dissimilar metal galvanic reactions and then you have to
drill them out.



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Just what I did several years ago in A&P school. During recip overhaul, we
were in groups of 3. I noticed that the other groups seemed to be reckless
with the parts and fasteners they were removing. I went to Sam's and bought
the gallon freezer bags and my group kept everything in the bags and labled.
Made our engine assembly much smoother than the others. We were also the
first one's completed and that engine fired right up and purred like a
kitten!




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Now that I'm older, I'm only good for one screw a day.




"Montblack" wrote in
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| ("RST Engineering" wrote)
| I would highly recommend this experience to any
aircraft owner who is
| comfortable with a wrench.
|
| Hey, there's a hell of a way to spend a Saturday afterno
.... oh WRENCH.
| Damn.
|
|
| You'd better plan for the entire weekend.
|
| One screw ...take a nap. Another screw ...another nap.
|
|
| Montblack
|

Great movie THE BEST of TIMES with Kurt Russell and Robin
Williams...
one line, "we've got to get organized" followed by "it's
against the rules" "What?" "To get organized"

Another good line, "I'm not a has-been, I'm a never-was."


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C. Massey" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:EZF9g.20244$ZW3.18025@dukeread04...
| Buy a [big] box or two of slide-lock baggies, put the
| parts, with a label and tape them to the area near the
| inspection cover. You can even add notes to yourself or
the
| other mechanic who is working on the airplane.
|
| I've heard of owners replacing the standard fasteners
with
| nice shiny stainless steel screws. Trouble is you can
get
| dissimilar metal galvanic reactions and then you have to
| drill them out.
|
|
|
| snip
|
|
| Just what I did several years ago in A&P school. During
recip overhaul, we
| were in groups of 3. I noticed that the other groups
seemed to be reckless
| with the parts and fasteners they were removing. I went to
Sam's and bought
| the gallon freezer bags and my group kept everything in
the bags and labled.
| Made our engine assembly much smoother than the others. We
were also the
| first one's completed and that engine fired right up and
purred like a
| kitten!
|
|
|
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You'd better plan for the entire weekend.

A weekend doens't make much of a dent in the Mooney. One full day to
remove all the panels (including the infamous lower cowl) plus another
full day to put it back together. Add in retraction tests, lubing
hundreds of points, etc and you're talking a good week.

-Robert

Jack it up, you've got to get it up anyway to cycle the gear
and check the tires properly.

I don't think you can jack it up anywhere near that much though. Mine
is up on jacks right now with the wheels off. I still have to slither
on my belly to get under the plane. It still takes long arms to reach
up into the nose well to measure the springs during the retraction. The
Mooney just sits very, very close to the ground.

-Robert

Some jacks have multiple Siamese cylinders and will extend
from 12-36 or even more.
see
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...s/jackj106.php



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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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| Jack it up, you've got to get it up anyway to cycle the
gear
| and check the tires properly.
|
| I don't think you can jack it up anywhere near that much
though. Mine
| is up on jacks right now with the wheels off. I still have
to slither
| on my belly to get under the plane. It still takes long
arms to reach
| up into the nose well to measure the springs during the
retraction. The
| Mooney just sits very, very close to the ground.
|
| -Robert
|

Eduardo K. writes:

I strip a fair number of screws every year -- but I've NEVER had to
drill any out on either of the planes we've owned.

Can you replace them with Torx screws? I have found that they are much
more resistant to striping that phillips head screws. I use them a lot
on cars transmissions...


Exactly my thoughts. Torx ranks up there with GPS and electric starters
as all-time great inventions.
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Do you s'pose a website dedicated to names & contact info for IAs that will
do owner assisted annuals would be a good thing? Maybe with a little info
about the mech like price structure, do it in your own hangar, etc?

Couldn't hurt.

There seem to be remarkably few websites devoted to A&Ps and IAs in
general, let alone anything targeted like you're proposing. Given how
tech savvy many pilots are nowadays, that seems like a market ripe for
picking.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I strip a fair number of screws every year -- but I've NEVER had to
drill any out on either of the planes we've owned.

Can you replace them with Torx screws?

I don't know.

In the "real world" that is a no-brainer. In the bizarro world of the
FAA, I have no idea if Torx screws are legal...

Toecutter? Jim Weir? Jim Macklin? Can we, as owners, use any old
fasteners we want for all those access panels?
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Rip" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I strip a fair number of screws every year -- but I've NEVER had to
drill any out on either of the planes we've owned.

Can you replace them with Torx screws?


I don't know.

In the "real world" that is a no-brainer. In the bizarro world of the
FAA, I have no idea if Torx screws are legal...

Toecutter? Jim Weir? Jim Macklin? Can we, as owners, use any old
fasteners we want for all those access panels?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Technically,no. At least on an aircraft with a type certificate. Quick
example. The Navion has fairly large panels under the wings that provide
access to the gear retract mechanism. I constantly see that owners have
replaced the fasteners for those panels with bright, shiny, stainless
steel screws of various quality. But they are structural panels, and the
screws have to be structural fasteners (the Navion has no wing spar, per
se, and the skin is an integral part of its strength). There are
structural stainless steel replacements, but you all be careful out there!

Rip

Exactly right. If you look through the Aircraft Spruce catalog you'll find
several different strengths of screws. Some are 30,000 lb/square inch, some
are 55,000/square inch, etc. In some applications (probably the Navion, as
pointed out above), it makes a difference which screw you use. If you go
down to the local hardware store and buy Torx fasteners, you'll probably
never know if the fastener you chose has the correct strength.

Now, if someone made an AN series torx head screw that was substitutable for
the AN series of Phillips screws, I'm sure all of us would beat a path to
that guy or gal's doorstep. Unfortunately, at $0.05/screw (which is
probably the selling price to the Aircraft Spruce's of the world), it would
take a long, long time for that investment to pay off for someone.

KB