Airbus to Expand Cockpit Automation

Bob,

Anyone who can't see the potential problems with this should be required
to understand the many times automation is discussed in comp.risks.


And anyone who can't see the potential benefits should be required to read
the Ueberlingen accident investigation.

So who's more right?

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On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:15:38 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

And automated systems make mistakes.

hmm, they work as designed. If somebody programmed a loophole and the
system comes to this point, well. Then there is don't see a mistake. Those
systems don't make any decisions. They do what the programmer told them to
do.

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Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:15:38 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

And automated systems make mistakes.

hmm, they work as designed. If somebody programmed a loophole and the
system comes to this point, well. Then there is don't see a mistake. Those
systems don't make any decisions. They do what the programmer told them to
do.

Almost. Automated systems have implementation flaws and design flaws.
But sometimes automated systems are affected by environmental conditions
such as high energy particles (which are not impossible at enroute altitudes).

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In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Anyone who can't see the potential problems with this should be required
to understand the many times automation is discussed in comp.risks.

And anyone who can't see the potential benefits should be required to read
the Ueberlingen accident investigation.

So who's more right?

what's your point?

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lawyers will hate

I wonder if this new autopilot enhancement will prevent Airbus aircraft
from midairs with trees that the previous systems failed to prevent?

On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:35:55 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

And automated systems make mistakes.

hmm, they work as designed. If somebody programmed a loophole and the
system comes to this point, well. Then there is don't see a mistake. Those
systems don't make any decisions. They do what the programmer told them to
do.

Almost. Automated systems have implementation flaws and design flaws.
But sometimes automated systems are affected by environmental conditions
such as high energy particles (which are not impossible at enroute altitudes).

still: the automated system itself does not make the mistake.

yeah, I see your point, of course. :-)

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, John said:
European jet maker Airbus is taking an unprecedented step to expand
cockpit automation: onboard computers that will automatically maneuver
jetliners to avoid midair collisions, without any pilot input.

Each Airbus will be piloted by a pilot and a dog. The pilot is there to
engage the autopilot at the beginning of the flight, and the dog is there
to bite the pilot if he attempts to disengage it.


Yawn, that's an old "joke" saw that published in Flying 12 years ago.

Martin Hotze writes:

On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:15:38 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

And automated systems make mistakes.

hmm, they work as designed. If somebody programmed a loophole and the
system comes to this point, well. Then there is don't see a mistake. Those
systems don't make any decisions. They do what the programmer told them to
do.

They encounter situations that weren't anticipated. Their reactions
are even worse than human reactions to unanticipated situations.
They're often *better* than humans for the rest of the time, though.
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Martin Hotze writes:

On Sun, 28 May 2006 08:35:55 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

And automated systems make mistakes.

hmm, they work as designed. If somebody programmed a loophole and the
system comes to this point, well. Then there is don't see a mistake. Those
systems don't make any decisions. They do what the programmer told them to
do.

Almost. Automated systems have implementation flaws and design flaws.
But sometimes automated systems are affected by environmental conditions
such as high energy particles (which are not impossible at enroute altitudes).

still: the automated system itself does not make the mistake.

The difference is only important to the accident investigation team
and the lawyers, though. You're just as dead either way.

yeah, I see your point, of course. :-)
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"FLAV8R" wrote in
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Wow! I feel like I'm reading some sort of SciFi horror story where
man (and
woman) are replaced by computers and man is doomed to be
eradicated. What next?! Cars that drive themselves? Oh wait!
Mercedes has already been
working on that one.
And my company is working to remove all its workforce and what it
can't remove it outsources to India.

David

You are obsolete! (from a Twilight Zone episode)

Better yet, "To Serve Man".

mmMMMMMmmmm....soilent green.

One man, sautéed in olive oil...

No MSG!!!!

Brian

Don't need it if man is fresh, not frozen!

Light or dark meat?

Brian
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