Neat experience today.

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Jay,


That's the first time I've ever heard that before, Matt. I've not flown a
Cirrus, but in the magazines SR-20 handling is usually described as "crisp"
and "responsive".



First time for me, too. Personally, I found the Cirrus's control harmony even
beats the Bo - a hard thing to top. A 182? No comparison at all.

I've never flown a Bo, so I can't make a comparison there.

Matt

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

[...]
Rotating the wrist isn't one of the strongest actions a human can do. I
have much more strength with the rotation is combined with an up or down
action so that your biceps and triceps can get into the action along with
the rotation from your forearm.


Huh. When I flew the SR20 (granted, this was one of the test planes, before
they finished certification...but it WAS one of the conforming prototypes,
so surely it's not that different from the one you were in), I didn't use a
rotating motion to control the side-yoke. My forearm was not in line with
the axis of the yoke, and aileron control was more of a push-right,
pull-left (from the left seat) affair.

Well, I was in the right seat using my right hand. My forearm was on
the armrest and I simply rotated my wrist for ailerons and pushed and
pulled for elevator. The control travel was much less than in my 182,
but the forces were at least similar and felt higher, especially in roll.

Matt

In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:
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Often when flying Pipers I know slowly "pump" the controls during the
flare. One of the aviation columnists recently wrote about using this
technique and the advantages of it. I never needed it much in my 182 as I
could gradually pull back the wheel in it. The Arrow isn't nearly as
smooth and a low amplitude, high frequency "pumping" of the wheel tends to
allow smoother arrivals at closer to stall speed.


Matt

Okay, survey time. We have a lot of Piper pilots on the newsgroups. How
many of you find it necessary to "pump the yoke"to get a smooth low speed
landing? I'll go first... not me. Is something wrong with my airplane or
just every other Piper in the world?

Joe Schneider
N8437R



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JJS wrote:
In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:

snip

Often when flying Pipers I know slowly "pump" the controls during the
flare. One of the aviation columnists recently wrote about using this
technique and the advantages of it. I never needed it much in my 182 as I
could gradually pull back the wheel in it. The Arrow isn't nearly as
smooth and a low amplitude, high frequency "pumping" of the wheel tends to
allow smoother arrivals at closer to stall speed.


Matt


Okay, survey time. We have a lot of Piper pilots on the newsgroups. How
many of you find it necessary to "pump the yoke"to get a smooth low speed
landing? I'll go first... not me. Is something wrong with my airplane or
just every other Piper in the world?

I've flown four different Pipers, a Tomahawk, where I didn't notice
excessive stiction. It was very light on the controls, much like the
C150s I learned in.

I've flown two different Cherokee 180s. Both had substantial stiction,
but both were hard used FBO aircraft. My instructor sprayed some
silicon on it one time as it was so bad. This helped for a few hours,
but was short-lived.

I currently fly a Piper Arrow. It has excessive stiction. I don't know
how often the column gets lubed. I'll ask our maintenance officer at
our next club meeting.

Matt

Just because someone has their mother in the back doesn't make them a good
pilot as far as I can tell. If you're that trusting there's some ocean front
property in Arizona for sale that you'd probably like.

In article ,
"JJS" jschneider@re movecebridge.net wrote:

Okay, survey time. We have a lot of Piper pilots on the newsgroups. How
many of you find it necessary to "pump the yoke"to get a smooth low speed
landing? I'll go first... not me.

Not me (cherokee 140).

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

In article ,
"JJS" jschneider@re movecebridge.net wrote:

Okay, survey time. We have a lot of Piper pilots on the newsgroups. How
many of you find it necessary to "pump the yoke"to get a smooth low speed
landing? I'll go first... not me. Is something wrong with my airplane or
just every other Piper in the world?

If properly maintained and lubricated, the shaft should move freely,
without binding.

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"JJS" jschneider@re movecebridge.net wrote:

Okay, survey time. We have a lot of Piper pilots on the newsgroups. How
many of you find it necessary to "pump the yoke"to get a smooth low speed
landing? I'll go first... not me. Is something wrong with my airplane
or
just every other Piper in the world?

If properly maintained and lubricated, the shaft should move freely,
without binding.

Bingo. On my old Tomahawk, I had to dip the tip of my index finger into
engine oil and spread it on both yoke shafts about once every six months to
keep everything moving easily. The difference between pre and post-lube
stiction was noticable.

KB

Viperdoc wrote:

Just because someone has their mother in the back doesn't make them a good
pilot as far as I can tell. If you're that trusting there's some ocean front
property in Arizona for sale that you'd probably like.

Some of us are timid, some aren't. I watched him land on the way in and
the FBO manager obviously knew him from their conversation, and I know
the FBO manager well. It simply wasn't a high risk undertaking, but for
timid folks like you, I certainly wouldn't recommend it.


Matt

I don't consider myself particularly timid- I routinely fly my own plane
between -4 and +8 g, although it's rated for a lot more, and am pretty
comfortable flying upside down equally well. I also have quite a few hours
flying in the back of F-16's with live ordinance hung off the wings as well,
sitting in a hot ejection seat with a rocket motor. This has nothing to do
with timidity.

I just choose not to jump in any stranger's plane for a joy ride. In
particular there seems to be a disproportionate number of Cirrus crashes
where the pilots apparently had more money than judgment.

If he sounded like he was mature and was known and respected by the FBO
owner, then perhaps this was good enough for you. On the other hand, there
are two pilots on our field who had just purchased new planes- an SU-29 and
a brand new Pitts, and both damaged their planes significantly in landing
accidents within the first 10 hours of ownership (one of them also had an
SR-22). Both are experienced and mature individuals, and not risk takers.
Would you have wanted to be on board for a joy ride during one of those
flights?

Don't mistake good judgment or cautiousness for a lack of macho.