Overweight? Out of CG? Stalled? Too slow?

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B A R R Y wrote:

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Plausible?


As ugly as it looked, it certainly is plausible to me.

I doubt it. If the seat slid back then P-factor should have made the
plane veer left, but it didn't.

rg

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

You know, I almost wonder if the pilot's seat didn't slip back on him. That
might explain the cocked attitude going down the runway. If his load was
marginal (and it sure looked like it was) it would have been easy to lose it
while trying to reach the rudder pedals without pulling back the yoke at the
same time as he tried to scoot forward. Plausible

Didn't you see the O2 canister in the back of the pilot seat in the video?
Assuming it wasn't moved prior to taxi and takeoff, the canister looked to
me like it was uncomfortably wedged up against the pilot's seat and
certainly would have prevented the seat from moving backwards.



--
Peter

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"Peter R." wrote:



Didn't you see the O2 canister in the back of the pilot seat in the video?
Assuming it wasn't moved prior to taxi and takeoff, the canister looked to
me like it was uncomfortably wedged up against the pilot's seat and
certainly would have prevented the seat from moving backwards.

It also may have prevented the seat from being locked in place OR
dislodged it. Then if that gurney and O2 bottle moved away goes the
seat.

It can happen, I've had jumpers move my seat for me...quite exciting.

I was thinking a seat slip also.

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Ron Garret wrote:



I doubt it. If the seat slid back then P-factor should have made the
plane veer left, but it didn't.


Well, the nose was cocked left so p-factor was doing it's thing. The
airplane might of gone right because of a x-wind...but then a wind from
the left would weathervane you to the left on the takeoff.

Would like to know.

Didn't we go over this about 6 months ago?

-Robert


Flyingmonk wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2X...rplane%20pilot

Overweight? Out of CG? Stalled? Too slow? What do you all think?

Monk

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Dale wrote:

In article .com,
The nose is cocked off to the left and the airplane is slipping to the
right...wouldn't be right rudder.



You know, I almost wonder if the pilot's seat didn't slip back on him. That
might explain the cocked attitude going down the runway. If his load was
marginal (and it sure looked like it was) it would have been easy to lose it
while trying to reach the rudder pedals without pulling back the yoke at the
same time as he tried to scoot forward. Plausible?

I'd say it is plausible as this has been know to happen on Cessna's with
worn seat rails and was the course of an SB or maybe even an AD, I can't
remember now the details.

Matt

In article ,
Dale wrote:

In article ,
Ron Garret wrote:



I doubt it. If the seat slid back then P-factor should have made the
plane veer left, but it didn't.


Well, the nose was cocked left so p-factor was doing it's thing. The
airplane might of gone right because of a x-wind...but then a wind from
the left would weathervane you to the left on the takeoff.

Would like to know.

The wind was very light. Look at the plants and the dust.

rg

I don't know, did we? I must have missed it. You got a link?

Monk


Robert M. Gary wrote:
Didn't we go over this about 6 months ago?

-Robert


Flyingmonk wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2X...rplane%20pilot

Overweight? Out of CG? Stalled? Too slow? What do you all think?

Monk

In article .com,
says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2X...rplane%20pilot

Overweight? Out of CG? Stalled? Too slow? What do you all think?

Looked overweight to me - rotated a bit early too (inducing unecessary
drag) - and *chit* - he never uncrossed the thing once airborne! (more
uneeded drag). Couldn't tell what he was doing w' the flaps - but he
shoulda been 1 notch (maybe none?) - and left it that way (or gone to 1
notch) until climb was achieved.

--
Duncan

In article .com,
says...

It looks to me like there might be a lot of right rudder
applied, possibly by a frightened passenger, and the pilot is using
left aileron to counteract it. The overall drag gets too high and
brings the airplane down in a marginal DA and gross weight situation,
maybe aggravated by a distracted pilot trying to get the passenger off
the pedals.
Just a guess, but there's a frame or two where the rudder
looks cocked right.

Nice to see someone else noticed he continued cross-flying the plane
once airborne. Jeez! - uncross the thing, and fly into the wind!

--
Duncan