Jay Honeck must get an instrument rating

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On 2006-09-27, Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:
Yeah, it makes flying in the clouds so much more interesting.

But a whole lot less exciting...

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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message


Yeah, it makes flying in the clouds so much more interesting.

While flying *in* the clouds may not be very interesting, flying closer to
them still inspires me.

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John T wrote:

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message


Yeah, it makes flying in the clouds so much more interesting.


While flying *in* the clouds may not be very interesting, flying closer to
them still inspires me.

http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer/2006/08/07/Greensboro+NC+KGSO+To+Leesburg+VA+KJYO+Leg+3+Of+3. aspx
http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer/2006/07/08/Clouds+At+9000+Feet+Enroute+To+Trenton+NJ+KTTN.asp x
http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer/2006/05/06/Dancing+With+Clouds.aspx


It all depends on what you find interesting. I'm with you, I find IFR
flying much more interesting than VFR. I like to be challenged, not
just sit around and watch the grass grow (or familiar scenery pass by).
I was getting bored with VFR flying and the instrument rating got my
interest up again. It is far more challenging mentally than VFR flying.
Weather decisions are even more complex (seems ironic, but I find this
true), you use more of the "system", and the flying must be much more
precise.

I also agree that clouds are fascinating as is flying through them. My
most interesting flights by far have been IFR flights. Watching
thunderstorms along the coast of Florida for more than 100 miles as I
flew north just offshore. Flying above a solid overcast on a full moon
night. Rainbows of all sorts as someone already showed. Sunsets and
sunrises over various cloud formations.

Lastly, I get more satisfaction from a tough IFR flight well executed.
I guess I feel that almost anyone can fly a VFR flight successfully, but
it takes a higher level of skill and proficiency to execute well an IFR
flight in IMC. And other than my solo and taking up my first pax as a
private pilot, nothing has given me the raw exhiliration of breaking out
of the dark and rainy clouds and seeing those bright runway lights right
where they should be! Priceless!!! :-)

Matt

Agreed! We'd all like to read the account of his first approach to
minimums or the first 4 hour trip saved by 5 minutes of instrument flight.

Maybe we can take up a collection for the stronger sunglasses he'll need
when flying above all those puffy whites.

C'mon Jay!!

Margy Natalie wrote:
The subject line says it all. I declare from this moment on all
rec.aviators should, on all possible occasions, pick on Jay Honeck for
not having an instrument rating.

Margy

We'd all like to read the account of his first approach to minimums or the first 4 hour trip saved by 5 minutes of instrument flight.

I'll tell you mine. Ok, not the first, but a recent one. We'd departed
VFR from Seattle, with Santa Rosa as our destination, something like
five and a half hours away. Yreka (Montague) was our fuel stop (a
wonderful place to stop by the way!) and, as we did on the way up, we
got the courtesy car and a drove into Yreka to have a fresh baked pie
and burger before heading south on our final leg. The weather was
perfect, though we did need to go high to stay on top of a broken layer
from Seattle most of the way to Yreka. It was a beautiful flight, and
the departure from Yreka was uneventful, as we pointed the nose towards
the South Pole and climbed out. OF course, by now it was getting late,
and much of the rest of the trip would be at night.

Santa Rosa sits in the valley, quite a ways inland from the coast, but
the fog does roll in. It was expected between 1 AM and 4 AM, but as we
came over the final hills, it was clear that the fog had its own ideas.
STS was reporting 200 foot ceilings. I could see the fog, and were I
not instrument rated, there were other airports I could have gone to.
But Santa Rosa was our destination, and I had the ticket (and the
plates) so I asked the controllers for an IFR clearance into STS. This
was a few minutes in coming, meanwhile the controller vectored us to the
South and around a few hills (maintain VFR for now) to get us set. Soon
we got a hard IFR altitude and our clearance for the ILS. I think we
entered the fog at two thousand feet or less, and after keeping the
needles in the center for four minutes, the runway appeared two hundred
feet below us (and a little bit in front of us letting us touch down
right where we wanted to.

We were renting the airplane from STS, so it would have been a real pain
in the tucus if we had to divert and then retrieve the airplane the next
day from someplace maybe fifty miles away. But out of the five hours
and something, we probably spent five minutes in the clouds.

But those were the five minutes that count.

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and my last flight...
Stevens Point, WI KSTE to Fort Lauderdale, FL KFXE and back to KSTE
myself and one of my partners flew alternate legs
Departed 7pm Friday evening
Arrived back home 9:30pm Saturday evening
17 hours of flying
11 hours of night
8 hours of IFR
3 night landings
1 day time ILS due to haze
Plenty of traffic and controllers in southern FL denying VFR flight
following through some very congested airspace.

No hard IFR. With a good handle on the weather, our only ongoing concern
was ground fog. Without our instrument tickets it would have been a very
extended, circumnavigating, and exhausting flight.

Jim

We spent a wonderful weekend at the hotel, and Jay offered only some weak
excuses as to why he didn't have his instrument rating.

He needs to start working on it and share his experiences with the NG (which
will be infinitely more interesting than the latest posts from the idiot arm
chair sim pilot)

Margy Natalie wrote:
The subject line says it all. I declare from this moment on all
rec.aviators should, on all possible occasions, pick on Jay Honeck for
not having an instrument rating.

Margy
Does this mean you'll get yours too Margie? :-)


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Jack Allison wrote:
Margy Natalie wrote:

The subject line says it all. I declare from this moment on all
rec.aviators should, on all possible occasions, pick on Jay Honeck for
not having an instrument rating.

Margy

Does this mean you'll get yours too Margie? :-)


I was trying to throw the attention off of me and onto Jay. It doesn't
seem to have worked.

Margy