Crosswind rental limits?

"nrp" wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 9:21 am, The Visitor
wrote:
10 seems more common, do they have insurance issues?

I understand it is an insurance issue. I agree it is very restrictive.
Is the Diamond extra sensitive to crosswinds?

With that long, long tail moment, It would be hard to imagine that it is _not_
sensitive to crosswinds.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I have never really flown a
Diamond! g
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Morgans wrote:

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I have never really
flown a Diamond! g


Fantastic! I love it!!!!!!

"BT" wrote in message
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In my experience though, a 5 knot limit is a bit on the low side.

Have you flown a DA20? it has glider wings..

What's the maximum demonstrated crosswind for the DA20?

I realize that the DA20 has a higher aspect ratio wing than similar
airplanes, but with a wing span just under 36' it doesn't have "glider
wings".

5knts for first solo may be prudent..
up to 10knts when ready for the check ride.

Unless the maximum demonstrated crosswind for the DA20 is significantly
lower than that for other airplanes, I see no reason that lower limits
applied to students should not be comparable to those for other airplanes.

Pete

"nrp" wrote in message
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A relative is working on a PPL using a Diamond DA20. The FBO has a
policy of no student solos with more than 5 knots crosswind component.
Do other FBOs do this? As a result he is having trouble scheduling his
solo cross countries.


The xwind limit at my FBO for student pilots was 8 knots....

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:16:48 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"BT" wrote in message
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In my experience though, a 5 knot limit is a bit on the low side.

Have you flown a DA20? it has glider wings..

What's the maximum demonstrated crosswind for the DA20?

Which is normally a meaningless figure.

I realize that the DA20 has a higher aspect ratio wing than similar
airplanes, but with a wing span just under 36' it doesn't have "glider
wings".

5knts for first solo may be prudent..
up to 10knts when ready for the check ride.

I'd hate to tell you what the cross winds were at my first landing on
my first long cross country.:-)) That was a long time ago and I was
not given any limits, but even today, you may be given limits and the
weather may not cooperate.


Unless the maximum demonstrated crosswind for the DA20 is significantly
lower than that for other airplanes, I see no reason that lower limits

I would agree.
Demonstrated is only 12 knots on the Deb and it's good for 25

applied to students should not be comparable to those for other airplanes.

Student cross wind components are a different animal.



Pete

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"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
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What's the maximum demonstrated crosswind for the DA20?

Which is normally a meaningless figure.

It is never a "meaningless" figure. It always means *something*, and the
more effort the aircraft manufacturer puts into it, the more it means.

Curious, I did a quick bit of research. I found that early models (maybe
the Katana? I wasn't looking that closely at the exact model number here)
had a demonstrated crosswind of 15 knots, while the DA20 has a demonstrated
crosswind of 20.

Both numbers are very respectable, and indicate that there is no problem
whatsoever landing the airplane with a crosswind.

[...]
Unless the maximum demonstrated crosswind for the DA20 is significantly
lower than that for other airplanes, I see no reason that lower limits

I would agree.
Demonstrated is only 12 knots on the Deb and it's good for 25

applied to students should not be comparable to those for other airplanes.

Student cross wind components are a different animal.

Different animal than what?

My point was that the student limits ought to scale just as the demonstrated
limits do. For example, if a limit of 8 knots is appropriate for a student
flying an airplane with a demonstrated crosswind of 16 knots, then 10 knots
might be appropriate as a limit for a student flying an airplane with a
demonstrated crosswind of 20 knots.

The DA20's demonstrated crosswind *exceeds* that of the 172, and I saw one
reference that said that the 150 has a demonstrated crosswind of 12 knots.
Granted, that 12 knots is sure to be *well* below what the 150 is actually
capable of. But even so, with a demonstrated crosswind of 20 knots for the
DA20, there's absolutely no reason to think that one needs to be *more*
conservative with that airplane than with others.

Being less conservative might not be warranted either, but I see no reason
to restrict students more in the DA20 than in other trainers.

Pete

Bt,

Have you flown a DA20?

Yes.

it has glider wings..

So? (And it doesn't)

5knts for first solo may be prudent..
up to 10knts when ready for the check ride.

BS.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

BT schrieb:

Have you flown a DA20? it has glider wings..

Have *you* flown a DA20? And you obviously never flew a glider.

(Besides, we routinely and successfully land our gliders with
considerable amounts of crosswind.)

Stefan

On 2006-11-07, BT wrote:
In my experience though, a 5 knot limit is a bit on the low side.

Have you flown a DA20? it has glider wings..
5knts for first solo may be prudent..
up to 10knts when ready for the check ride.

I've flown both the DA-20 and the DA-40. The -20 was no more difficult
to handle than a Cessna 150. I thought it had very good habits.

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On 2006-11-07, Peter Duniho wrote:
The DA20's demonstrated crosswind *exceeds* that of the 172, and I saw one
reference that said that the 150 has a demonstrated crosswind of 12 knots.

As a slight diversion, the Cessna 170 can handle a greater crosswind
than the Cessna 172N, although the pilot of the 170 needs to be
proficient :-)

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