HUD view of a near-miss

I used to fly gliders out of Kelly Air Park, about halfway between
Colorado Springs and Denver. Good lift, up around 14,000', and it
wasn't unusual to see a C-130 or a B737 go by. Not a near miss, but
close enough to catch your attention.

When I got out of Air Force flight training I chose a slot to fly a
C-130 out of Langley AFB. The Powers That Be changed it to a C-121 out
of Korat, then an AC-119K out of Phan Rang.

The rest, as they say, is history. :)

--Walt


Ross Richardson wrote:
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

"Walt" wrote in message
ups.com...
I used to fly gliders out of Kelly Air Park, about halfway between
Colorado Springs and Denver. Good lift, up around 14,000', and it
wasn't unusual to see a C-130 or a B737 go by. Not a near miss, but
close enough to catch your attention.

When I got out of Air Force flight training I chose a slot to fly a
C-130 out of Langley AFB. The Powers That Be changed it to a C-121 out
of Korat, then an AC-119K out of Phan Rang.

The rest, as they say, is history. :)

Wow.

I just did a little surfing, and came up with a AC-119 page, that had
specifications of the plane, and another page of links to some stories about
missions.

I read a couple of them. WoW, again.

You 'been through some sh*t, huh Walt?

Wow.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message
ups.com...
I used to fly gliders out of Kelly Air Park, about halfway between
Colorado Springs and Denver. Good lift, up around 14,000', and it
wasn't unusual to see a C-130 or a B737 go by. Not a near miss, but
close enough to catch your attention.

When I got out of Air Force flight training I chose a slot to fly a
C-130 out of Langley AFB. The Powers That Be changed it to a C-121 out
of Korat, then an AC-119K out of Phan Rang.

The rest, as they say, is history. :)

Wow.

I just did a little surfing, and came up with a AC-119 page, that had
specifications of the plane, and another page of links to some stories about
missions.

I read a couple of them. WoW, again.

You 'been through some sh*t, huh Walt?

Wow.
--
Jim in NC

Not as much as many other people on this list. I've had a pretty good
life, when you get right down to it.

--Walt

On 12/12/06 06:03, Ross Richardson wrote:
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.


Now *that* I would like to see a clip of! Wow! Must have been a fantastic
view.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Ross Richardson" wrote...

I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North Central Texas at 2500'
( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went UNDER me. That was
interesting.

I was coasting in (south TX, late 70s) on a published low-level route where
it crossed another one. I was in an A-4 at 500' or so, and a B-52 passed
under me.

There also used to be a segment of another route in NV (early 90s) where 2
routes ran in opposite directions. They were supposed to be deconflicted by
the controlling agency, but it didn't always work. I was in an A-6 at 200'
and passed under 1 A-10 going the other way (really -- they weren't JUST
slow!) and abeam his wingman.

In rec.aviation.owning John Weiss wrote:

I was coasting in (south TX, late 70s) on a published low-level route where
it crossed another one. I was in an A-4 at 500' or so, and a B-52 passed
under me.

Since we are telling war stories here...

A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several such near
miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about 500' agl
when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately pull up in
an immelmann turn in front of him.

During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and why he
did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the A-6,
before, during, or after his turn.


--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

"Frank Stutzman" wrote...

A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several
such near
miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about
500' agl
when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately
pull up in
an immelmann turn in front of him.

During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and
why he
did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the
A-6,
before, during, or after his turn.

Fat chance! It sounds like a well-known "maneuver" known as "thumping"!

Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly lower in exercises like that
than the Brits flying Buccaneers for the Oman AF (mid 80s). They would
regularly fly under our A-6s that were ingressing at 200' or less...

John Weiss wrote:
"Frank Stutzman" wrote...
A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several
such near
miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about
500' agl
when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately
pull up in
an immelmann turn in front of him.

During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and
why he
did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the
A-6,
before, during, or after his turn.

Fat chance! It sounds like a well-known "maneuver" known as "thumping"!

Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly lower in exercises like that
than the Brits flying Buccaneers for the Oman AF (mid 80s). They would
regularly fly under our A-6s that were ingressing at 200' or less...



I'm sorry, I thought you knew . . .
50 feet is low level. Anything higher is
cruising-along-on-the-highway-on-a-Sunday-afternoon, aka asking to see
if Mr. FlAK is at home :-(

Ross Richardson wrote:
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.

While climbing out of KSOP, as I passed through about 1500 feet a
flight of three A-10's went under me -- I was about 5 miles outside the
Ft. Bragg restricted area at the time. I thought it was kinda
interesting that they didn't make any radio calls as they basically
blew through the traffic pattern of the airport. When I got on the
radio to warn other pilots they were coming through, THEN they made
radio calls.

I've been low level in a B-52 near Hastings Nebraska in the IR route.. in
the turn at 500ft AGL, and had a C-172 go under me.

I've also flown the IR Routes in Wyoming and Montana while in B-1s, I've had
traffic cross co-altitude near Powell Wyoming again, abotu 500ft AGL. In
Montana, at least the crop dusters put out NOTAMs they were there, so we
could bump our minimum altitude up to 1000ft AGL and go over the top of
them. Yes, we spotten more than a few.

BT


"Ross Richardson" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI