A slap in the face to Ohio GA, and a measure of stupidity by Ohio Lawmakers

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:35:49 GMT, "Neil Gould"
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Recently, Larry Dighera posted:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:55:15 -0800, C J Campbell
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Definitely one of the most inane laws ever passed. But the purpose of
this law is not to fight terrorism.

Perhaps some will recall the attestations that at least the military had to
sign, up to at least the 1970's. "I am not now and never have been" a
member of a whole raft of organizations. My favorite was the "Japanese
Cherry Blossom Society". I'm sure the repetitive signings did a whole lot
of good.
E. G. Buck



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The purpose of the law is to give state officials another charge to add
to a complaint. While a pilot may have other charges dismissed, the
state would still have the perjury charge to hold and try. This is the
legal system we now have. Instead of providing evidence in a case using
existing laws, the government will add frivolous charges to try a weak case.

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:55:15 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote in
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Definitely one of the most inane laws ever passed. But the purpose of
this law is not to fight terrorism. It is to embarrass Democrats. The
outgoing party knew full well that this law would probably be repealed, so
now they can say during the next election that the Democrats repealed an
'anti-terrorism' measure, without saying exactly what that measure was.

Perhaps.

But why isn't the law designed to cause aircraft owners to perjure
themselves by failing to declare there affiliation with listed
terrorist organizations, so that they can be prosecuted? I doubt that
the Constitution would permit prosecuting people for merely being
members of the listed terrorist organizations alone.

Tony wrote:

pilot's tickets are national, airplanes are personal property, like
cars, and are taxed at the state level.



If at all. No sales tax in Montana and I pay $20 a year for my Bo.
That money goes directly to Montana Aeronautics and takes care of state
owned airports and other worthwhile aviation stuff.

Newps wrote:
,,,I pay $20 a year for my Bo.

Are you talking about the pilot reg (red file card for 2007), which
costs $10 (plus addl for other things) or the actual a/c registration?
I pay $50 for my C172 !!! How do you get away with $20 for a Bonanza?

Recently, Larry Dighera posted:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:35:49 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote in

Recently, Larry Dighera posted:

[...] I doubt
that the Constitution would permit prosecuting people for merely
being members of the listed terrorist organizations alone.

You are talking about a State that just recently deported an Imam
who, on his application for citizenship didn't declare his
affiliations with a group that *wasn't* on a terrorist watch list at
the time.

On what grounds did the state of Ohio manage to do that?

The State probably just greased the wheels for INS or some Federal agency.
If you are curious about the case, here's a start:

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchas...alestinian.php

Not being a lawyer, I could only watch as events unfolded. Interestingly,
many of the reports of this are inaccurate (no surprise), for example, it
is frequently reported that he was deported to Jordan and then the
Palestinian Territories. He never made it there, and for a few days, no
one knew where he was.

I was thinking, that the law may be intended to be used similarly to
the way Martha Stewart was found guilty of lying to federal
prosecutes. They didn't find her guilty of SEC violations, IIRC.

Perhaps so, but it is still an absurdity. There are plenty of laws
covering any specific activity that winds up being terrorist in nature,
and a finding that someone lied on the form is meaningless unless there is
proof that they were involved in those activities *prior* to signing the
form.

As if that
wasn't bad enough, instead of winding up in the Palestinian
territories to where he was deported, he is being detained by
Isreal, where he was delivered.

How did that happen?

His family (American citizens) would like to know.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1167467692943

So, yes, Ohio prosecutes people for far less than merely being
members of listed terrorist organizations.

I don't think it's a crime to be a member of a listed terrorist
organization, is it? At least, pre Patriot Act, I doubt it was.

I suspect that it depends on who you tick off.

On a lesser note, this State also increased the licensing tax on GA
planes to the same amount as commercial aircraft.

Did that change in rate result in an increase in licensing fees for
the typical Cessna 172 owners? If so, by about how much?

Yes. The rate went from about $25/yr. to $100/yr., about the same as for a
Citation as I understand it.

They do these things to pilots
because there aren't enough of us to create a political problem for
them.

They get away with it, because people would rather pay than defend
their rights, just like traffic citations.

What "rights" do we have against unreasonable taxation? The last time we
tried to get out from under such things, we wound up dumping tea and
battling the government for years. We may have the right to do that again,
but do we have the force to pull it off?

I agree with C J on the motivations behind this law, and the only
practical benefit to its existance.


I have no knowledge of Ohio state politics. If you and Christopher
are correct, it is a sad comment on those governing Ohio.

It is a source of constant amazement and disappointment to me.

All that aside, because the new Ohio law fails to apply similar
requirements to the other vehicles it licenses (boats, automobiles,
...), it smacks of selective enforcement, and may possible be
challenged on that ground:
http://www.moralityinmedia.org/nolc/...nforcement.htm

That looks like a long shot to me, as it appears to cover only the
selective enforcement of a single law across a population. Even then, the
"Rational Relation test" seems to negate its intention to some degree.

Neil

skym wrote:

Newps wrote:
,,,I pay $20 a year for my Bo.

Are you talking about the pilot reg (red file card for 2007), which
costs $10 (plus addl for other things) or the actual a/c registration?


The pilot registration is different but that money goes into the same
pot as the aircraft registration cash.



I pay $50 for my C172 !!! How do you get away with $20 for a Bonanza?



I pay what they ask me too. Your's will go down too when it gets to be
40 years old. My 182 was $50 also.

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:40:24 -0700, Newps wrote:



skym wrote:

Newps wrote:
,,,I pay $20 a year for my Bo.

Are you talking about the pilot reg (red file card for 2007), which
costs $10 (plus addl for other things) or the actual a/c registration?


The pilot registration is different but that money goes into the same
pot as the aircraft registration cash.



I pay $50 for my C172 !!! How do you get away with $20 for a Bonanza?



I pay what they ask me too. Your's will go down too when it gets to be
40 years old. My 182 was $50 also.

In Michigan it's based on weight. $1 a hundred be it a Cub or CJ.
I pay $30 on the Deb. A late model A36 might be on the order of $38 to
$40.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Who pays for the extra paper work?
Lou