If user fees go into effect I'm done

Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:56:47 GMT, Steve Foley wrote:

If they consider 'ATC contact' to be 'use', then it won't cost me
any more.

How about a weather briefing at $ 1.50 a minute?

How about a $300 charge to renew your medical?

I know that some where in that budget there has got to be a look at the
proposed fees. Has anyone found it?

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera wrote:

The ATC user fee issue is a corporate boondoggle like Boeing's recent
infamous proposal to lease a hundred B-757(?) tankers to the USAF.

fyi - 767


And, Boeing didn't initially propose it. The AF wanted them, didn't have
the money, and asked "How would a private sector company do something like
this?".

Now this is weird.

I just found that exact quote yesterday looking for something else.

mike

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves
money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority
always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the
public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses
over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two
hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following
sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to
great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance,
from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from
complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back
to bondage."
-- Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the
Athenian Democracy.

ArtP wrote:

On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:35:45 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote:


Neil Gould wrote:

I imagine that any difficulties that might cause would be shortly followed
by a mandate to use flight following in most areas.

Followed by a bunch of blips with no transponder return? G


No problem. They can just do what they did in DC. You can't take off
until you get a transponder code from ATC.

Interesting. I've never flown an airplane that required a transponder
code to take off. Actually, none of the airplanes I've flown even
required a transponder to take off! :-)

Matt

mike regish wrote:
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The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two
hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following
sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to
great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance,
from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from
complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back
to bondage."
-- Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the
Athenian Democracy.




Sounds like we are about on schedule.

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:56:47 GMT, Steve Foley wrote:

If they consider 'ATC contact' to be 'use', then it won't cost me any
more.

How about a weather briefing at $ 1.50 a minute?

How about a $300 charge to renew your medical?

How about a $500 charge to issue your certificate and how about breaking the
knowledge tests down into 40 question subject areas and having to pass 8
tests @ $80 each.

if you think this is a joke, in England, the Commercial licence has 8 exams
at $120 each, the IR 8 exams @ $120 each

Now that is user fees - you aint seen nothing yet.

Dallas wrote in
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How about a weather briefing at $ 1.50 a minute?

1-900-WX-BRIEF

I can not find the initial post on this thread, but...
That said, I would expect if user fees go into effect we will se a lot
of flying outside the system, be it VFR or even IFR and that is not a
good or safe idea.

I'd certainly be tempted to fly VFR outside the system by going
between small airports and staying away from the larger ones unless it
was absolutely necessary. Oh... Wait, I already prefer to fly that
way. :-)) I'd also fly in legally marginal conditions when I'd
otherwise go IFR. I'd not fly IFR outside the system, but I'd bet
there would be many who would. Weather briefings? I'd bet the
weather channel would become real popular if they charge for weather
briefings. VFR flight plans when they charge for them? Yah gotta be
kidding.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Something on the order of 80 quoted levels and over 3300 lines of
text. That's a bit more than I'm willing to read. It may be factual,
but it's too much of a good thing.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Feb 9, 3:38 pm, Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:56:47 GMT, Steve Foley wrote:
If they consider 'ATC contact' to be 'use', then it won't cost me any more.

How about a weather briefing at $ 1.50 a minute?

How about a $300 charge to renew your medical?

--
Dallas

I don't like user fees either, but in the grand scheme of things a
$300 medical is not going to stop anyone from flying. Charges for FSS
weather briefing will only make pilots look for other sources for
weather. I am curious about the proposed user fee structure and the
present Canadian system. What they pay for ATC fees there is really
not all that bad. Every time I fly up there, I get an ATC bill. It is
annoying, but it is not that expensive considering other costs
involved in flying.