Local community college wants to cut flight instructor pay.

Maxwell wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message

I look at a tough BFR as a good thing.

With an experienced instructor it can be, but doing things like working
weight and balance without a calculator is a bit much. And that was just the
beginning.


Oh... Needlessly difficult. G

He wouldn't let you use a calculator?

B A R R Y wrote:
Maxwell wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message

I look at a tough BFR as a good thing.

With an experienced instructor it can be, but doing things like working
weight and balance without a calculator is a bit much. And that was just the
beginning.


Oh... Needlessly difficult. G

He wouldn't let you use a calculator?


A real life flight, huh? Jeez, if I need to work a weight and balance, then I
need a calculator. Just like if I need to fly, I need an airplane. Working all
those numbers in my head isn't real life. I'd **** it up for sure.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Newps" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:




Attitudes like that is why unions were formed.

A professional working a full day should make a decent living, not a
welfare living.



No. You are worth what somebody is willing to pay. Don't like it? Move.
Unions didn't come into existence because of low pay but primarily because
of working conditions.

Why didn't they come into existence during the pre-Industrial Revolution era
when working conditions REALLY sucked?

On Apr 11, 10:14 am, "Morgans" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote



If CFIs are willing to work for less than it would be irresponsible to
continue to pay them above market with tax payer's money. If they
would be paying below market they will be sitting there with no CFIs.

Attitudes like that is why unions were formed.

A professional working a full day should make a decent living, not a
welfare
living.

Supply and demand/market rate.

Or is reality to harsh for you?

Why can't everyone be a movie star or pro athlete?

On Apr 10, 10:38 pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
The local paper has an article about the local community college that
wants to cut the pay of its flight instructors:

http://www.registerguard.com/news/20...pilots.0410.p1....

Among other tidbits, I was surprised to see this:
"Flight technology is popular, with about a dozen instructors and more
than 100 students. The demand for pilots is so strong that most students
get jobs soon after completing the degree and flight hour requirements."

I teach aviation at a local community college, but I am also a regular
faculty at a larger university on a different discipline. From my
experience, I agree with the comment that "flight instructors aren't
faculty in the usual sense". Faculty have to demonstrate intellect,
creativity and insights, none of which are required from a CFI. That
doesn't mean CFIs cannot have all these qualities, but merely holding
a CFI certificate does not demonstrate those qualities. The only exam
they have to take are multiple choice and the questions are known
ahead of time. CFIs range from high school drop-outs to astronauts and
scientists, so it is difficult to consider them as a single
professional group.

The article is confusing in one aspect. They say "students get jobs
soon after completing the degree and flight hour requirements", yet
they say graduating students are not qualified for the airline
industry without additional training and experience. It sounds like
the jobs the students are getting are not in the airline industry, and
if that is true, it is not a very attractive claim.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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From my
experience, I agree with the comment that "flight instructors aren't
faculty in the usual sense". Faculty have to demonstrate intellect,
creativity and insights, none of which are required from a CFI.

From what we're seing in academia, those qualities are not needed for
faculty, either.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On Apr 10, 10:38 pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
The local paper has an article about the local community college that
wants to cut the pay of its flight instructors:

http://www.registerguard.com/news/20...pilots.0410.p1....

Among other tidbits, I was surprised to see this:
"Flight technology is popular, with about a dozen instructors and
more than 100 students. The demand for pilots is so strong that most
students get jobs soon after completing the degree and flight hour
requirements."

I teach aviation at a local community college, but I am also a regular
faculty at a larger university on a different discipline. From my
experience, I agree with the comment that "flight instructors aren't
faculty in the usual sense". Faculty have to demonstrate intellect,
creativity and insights, none of which are required from a CFI. That
doesn't mean CFIs cannot have all these qualities, but merely holding
a CFI certificate does not demonstrate those qualities. The only exam
they have to take are multiple choice and the questions are known
ahead of time. CFIs range from high school drop-outs to astronauts and
scientists, so it is difficult to consider them as a single
professional group.

The article is confusing in one aspect. They say "students get jobs
soon after completing the degree and flight hour requirements", yet
they say graduating students are not qualified for the airline
industry without additional training and experience. It sounds like
the jobs the students are getting are not in the airline industry, and
if that is true, it is not a very attractive claim.

I can't get back into the original article but didn't it say something about
the CFIs got their AA and were getting their BAs at another school? As I
mentioned this is awfully like a grad student teaching undergrad students.
And I don't know of any of them that are in the union that reps the
professors at a university.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Working all
those numbers in my head isn't real life. I'd **** it up for sure.

As would I! g

I screw up deposit slips all the time...

Matt Barrow writes:

From what we're seing in academia, those qualities are not needed for
faculty, either.

Faculty members just need credentials and a willingness to follow the
politically-correct line.

--
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
t...
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Working all those numbers in my head isn't real life. I'd **** it up
for sure.

As would I! g

I screw up deposit slips all the time...

He basically just sat back and collected his time while testing my long
division skills. But that was only the beginning. He was about 25, had 250
hours. We wasted more than two hours on the oral, 95% of which I will never
use. Much more of a test than a discussion or instruction.

I knew I had problems when I handed him my original certificate from 1972
and he looked real puzzled and said, "is this really a pilots license".