Pilots flying into Oregon must register with the state!?

On Jun 11, 6:21 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Jose wrote:
Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at
blowing them off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are
they going to do? Send federal marshals?

Well, if you blow them off, you can be identified as a Threat To
National Security. So, yes, they could send in the marshals, and do
much worse, before it's overturned.

Jose

Well since this is a state law I doubt federal marshals would have any
interest at all.

If that were true medical pot smoking would be legal in California.
People go to jail for this in California because its a federal law
even though the state as a registration system for users who have Dr
approval. When my mom was dieing the Dr even suggested she try it (she
didn't). Its legal according to the state but if the feds find out
she'd go to jail.

-Robert

Well since this is a state law I doubt federal marshals would have any
interest at all.

The marshals have an interest in Threats To National Security.

Jose
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 11, 6:21 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Jose wrote:
Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at
blowing them off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are
they going to do? Send federal marshals?

Well, if you blow them off, you can be identified as a Threat To
National Security. So, yes, they could send in the marshals, and do
much worse, before it's overturned.

Jose

Well since this is a state law I doubt federal marshals would have
any interest at all.

If that were true medical pot smoking would be legal in California.
People go to jail for this in California because its a federal law
even though the state as a registration system for users who have Dr
approval. When my mom was dieing the Dr even suggested she try it (she
didn't). Its legal according to the state but if the feds find out
she'd go to jail.

-Robert

Not the same situation at all.

Jose wrote:
Well since this is a state law I doubt federal marshals would have
any interest at all.

The marshals have an interest in Threats To National Security.

Jose

To some extent as to all federal law enforcement agencies. But, luckily,
this isn't a federal NS issue. It is one state ignoring the Constitution.

On Jun 11, 1:09 am, Rocky wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:

As a resident of Oregon for 37+ years I will chime in here. If a pilot
lives here and flys he/she must register and pay the 8$ a year. If you
live out of state and keep a plane here you must pay. If you live out of
state and get some instruction here (even a BFR) you gotta pay. If your
just passin thru, wave, and don't sweat it, no one is going to hunt you
down (unless you crash here). BTW the money gets used for S&R ONLY not
paychecks for the politicians.......

You are deluding yourself if you think they can even collect $8 for
less than $10.

Austin

On Jun 10, 7:16 pm, "BT" wrote:
This falls right on top of the new Tax mandate from the lovely State of
Maine.
Aircraft flying through or stopping at any airport in Maine will be a sent a
Tax Bill for 5% of their value (sales tax?).
The Tax department has been charged with correlating Flight Plans with
aircraft N-numbers and sending the owner a bill.
The state is trying to collect taxes from Maine Residents who
register/store/base their aircraft in another state to avoid being taxed.

I do hope they are doing the same to all those RVs and Campers who visit
Maine every summer.
Should drive the tourist level down and keep the limited highways clear for
residents.

The solution to the Maine problem appears to be to fly VFR only
through there. They are using IFR flight plans to find you.

"Rocky" wrote in message
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Jim Logajan wrote:


"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of public
safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or receiving
aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this state shall
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days of
issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate, permit, rating
or license relating to competency as a pilot except that student pilots
shall register prior to their first solo flight. A nonresident pilot of a
scheduled or nonscheduled airline, certificated by the appropriate
federal agency, is not required to register under the provisions of this
section unless the nonresident pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft
other than such certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within
this state, other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state. Pilots
operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial operation.



As a resident of Oregon for 37+ years I will chime in here. If a pilot
lives here and flys he/she must register and pay the 8$ a year. If you
live out of state and keep a plane here you must pay. If you live out of
state and get some instruction here (even a BFR) you gotta pay. If your
just passin thru, wave, and don't sweat it, no one is going to hunt you
down (unless you crash here). BTW the money gets used for S&R ONLY not
paychecks for the politicians.......

I've got to agree with Rocky. Nobody is going to chase you down. With that
said, the wording is absurd/illegal. I can see registration for a commercial
pilot operating here, but transients? No way.

I've been a CFI in Oregon for 30+ years and am well aware of Oregon
Airmen Registration, but have never heard of this wording. I once registered
after a couple year layoff, and offered to pay the back fees. A very nice
lady called my office, and said that she had never had anyone offer to pay
back fees before, and they didn't know how to handle it. I told her to
donate it to the SAR fund, which by the way, is where every dime of this
money goes.

Thanks Jim for bringing this to my attention. We have a VERY vocal EAA
here in Oregon, and we could probably follow this up a bit. This should be
changed before some eager bureaucrat gets the idiotic notion he can collect
from everybody that flies past. A law that is written this way, and then not
enforced, opens the opportunity for selective enforcement, which is very
bad.

Al G

To some extent as to all federal law enforcement agencies. But, luckily,
this isn't a federal NS issue. It is one state ignoring the Constitution.

Yes, but if an official in that state calls something a Threat To
National Security, then that Threat has to be taken Seriously.

Jose
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:41:35 -0000, xyzzy wrote
in . com:


The solution to the Maine problem appears to be to fly VFR only
through there. They are using IFR flight plans to find you.

The solution to these unconstitutional "laws" is to actively oppose
them, and get them overturned.

On Jun 11, 8:14 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 11, 6:21 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Jose wrote:
Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at
blowing them off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are
they going to do? Send federal marshals?

Well, if you blow them off, you can be identified as a Threat To
National Security. So, yes, they could send in the marshals, and do
much worse, before it's overturned.

Jose

Well since this is a state law I doubt federal marshals would have
any interest at all.

If that were true medical pot smoking would be legal in California.
People go to jail for this in California because its a federal law
even though the state as a registration system for users who have Dr
approval. When my mom was dieing the Dr even suggested she try it (she
didn't). Its legal according to the state but if the feds find out
she'd go to jail.

-Robert

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Sorry, I've spent so many years taking law classes I assume everyone
has the same level of knowledge of the law. The constitution say that
anytime a law is in "federal space" federal rules trump the state. So
in both cases, states have created laws which actually inhabit space
already allocated by the federal gov't, and therefore not legal. The
federal space in this case is the interstate commerce clause. In the
medial pot case its federal DEA administrative law, but the legally
important thing is that they are both federal.

-Robert