Ground control vs. clearance delivery for VFR

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:12:04 -0600, Newps wrote:


There's never a reason to have the transponder on any other setting than
ALT, unless otherwise directed by ATC.

I know. G It is on ALT when normally responding, ON is usually
for bad mode C responses. My miscommunication!

I was referring to transpoding vs. not transponding while taxiing.
Some of the Charlie and Bravo space I visit has equipment that reads
transponder codes on the ground. PVD ground knew the minute I
mentioned my parked cargo ramp location that I was not squawking 1200.

B A R R Y wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:12:04 -0600, Newps wrote:


There's never a reason to have the transponder on any other setting than
ALT, unless otherwise directed by ATC.


I know. G It is on ALT when normally responding, ON is usually
for bad mode C responses. My miscommunication!

I was referring to transpoding vs. not transponding while taxiing.
Some of the Charlie and Bravo space I visit has equipment that reads
transponder codes on the ground. PVD ground knew the minute I
mentioned my parked cargo ramp location that I was not squawking 1200.


All ATC facilities have the ability to see transponders at any altitude.
All ATC facilities also have software to inhibit the display of
replies so the radar display doesn't get cluttered up on the airport.
You took my response to be only while flying. I meant it all inclusive.
There's never a reason to have your transponder on any other setting
than ALT, unless otherwise directed by ATC.

Newps wrote:

All ATC facilities have the ability to see transponders at any altitude.
All ATC facilities also have software to inhibit the display of
replies so the radar display doesn't get cluttered up on the airport.
You took my response to be only while flying. I meant it all inclusive.
There's never a reason to have your transponder on any other setting
than ALT, unless otherwise directed by ATC.

How about to avoid the ****y tone in their request to turn it off 10
seconds after landing?

--
Don Poitras

"Don Poitras" wrote:

it all inclusive.
There's never a reason to have your transponder on any other setting
than ALT, unless otherwise directed by ATC.

How about to avoid the ****y tone in their request to turn it off 10
seconds after landing?


Never heard that, and I never turn mine off ALT.


Where'd you get bitched at?

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Newps wrote:

All ATC facilities have the ability to see transponders at any altitude.
All ATC facilities also have software to inhibit the display of replies
so the radar display doesn't get cluttered up on the airport.

I did not know that. Thanks!

Don Poitras wrote:

Newps wrote:


All ATC facilities have the ability to see transponders at any altitude.
All ATC facilities also have software to inhibit the display of
replies so the radar display doesn't get cluttered up on the airport.
You took my response to be only while flying. I meant it all inclusive.
There's never a reason to have your transponder on any other setting
than ALT, unless otherwise directed by ATC.


How about to avoid the ****y tone in their request to turn it off 10
seconds after landing?


Why would ATC tell you to turn it off shortly after landing? There's no
reason for that. Tell him to properly set up his ARTS software.

"Dan Luke" wrote ...
Never heard that, and I never turn mine off ALT.

Hi Dan,
Now that you got one of them there "fancy pants" airplanes G, does it turn
the ALT on and off for you automatically?

Newps,

I've always found your postings here helpful and a valuable perspective on
the air traffic control system. I'm not disputing the wisdom of your
suggestion to have the transponder in the "ALT" position whenever it's on,
including while on the ground, but the AIM says,

4-1-19 a.3. ...transponders should be adjusted to the "on" or normal
operating position as late as practicable prior to takeoff and to "off" or
"standby" as soon as practicable after completing landing roll...

I know the AIM is not regulatory, but I often find comfort in following its
suggestions in the hope that it represents genuinely good advice. Do you
think that this passage from the AIM represents outdated policy that is no
longer relevant?

Thanks,
Dennis

Dennis Johnson wrote:
Newps,

I've always found your postings here helpful and a valuable
perspective on the air traffic control system. I'm not disputing the
wisdom of your suggestion to have the transponder in the "ALT"
position whenever it's on, including while on the ground, but the AIM
says,
4-1-19 a.3. ...transponders should be adjusted to the "on" or normal
operating position as late as practicable prior to takeoff and to
"off" or "standby" as soon as practicable after completing landing
roll...
I know the AIM is not regulatory, but I often find comfort in
following its suggestions in the hope that it represents genuinely
good advice. Do you think that this passage from the AIM represents
outdated policy that is no longer relevant?

Thanks,
Dennis

The AIM statement and having the Xponder set to ALT when it is on are not
counter to one another.

Dennis Johnson wrote:
Newps,

I've always found your postings here helpful and a valuable perspective on
the air traffic control system. I'm not disputing the wisdom of your
suggestion to have the transponder in the "ALT" position whenever it's on,
including while on the ground, but the AIM says,

4-1-19 a.3. ...transponders should be adjusted to the "on" or normal
operating position as late as practicable prior to takeoff and to "off" or
"standby" as soon as practicable after completing landing roll...

I know the AIM is not regulatory, but I often find comfort in following its
suggestions in the hope that it represents genuinely good advice. Do you
think that this passage from the AIM represents outdated policy that is no
longer relevant?

Yes. I know that to be the case.