Are CFIs personable?

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Robert M. Gary wrote:
I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
personable golf instructor.
Hope this isn't par for the course :-))

Me too...I'd hate to get the shaft.


Then you'd need penalty strokes.

That wood hurt!

I hate the way people are always putting other people down on this
newsgroup.

That could drive a wedge between friends. This, though, would only happen is
someone has a chip on their shoulder, or if they're green with envy.

On 2007-06-25 13:52:25 -0700, Dudley Henriques said:

Robert M. Gary wrote:
I was talking to a friend today about how difficult it is to find a
personable golf instructor.

Hope this isn't par for the course :-))




I'm a pretty so-so golfer and it really
turns me off that most instructors are very arrogant and stuck up. I
got to thinking that I sure hope students don't see CFIs the same way.
I've never considered myself better than my students so I sure help I
don't come off as arrogant in anyway. As a CFI I know that other CFIs
interact with me differently so I'm not sure I would know if other
CFIs are stuck up (as a CFI I often find that check out rides are
abbreviated, fees are reduced or instruction hours are under billed
for fellow CFIs).

I've never considered the holding of a CFI certificate to mean that
I'm any type of super pilot. In truth, anyone who takes enough
checkrides can get the certificate, its really something that any can
achieve. I hope other CFIs see it the same way.

-Robert, CFII


My comment on this is the same comment I have shared with the CFI
community for over 50 years; that being everything....and I mean
EVERYTHING..... I ever learned about teaching people to fly I have
learned from the students I have taught to fly. Every moment I ever
spent in a cockpit was as a student learning to be a better student of
my own profession.

My students have taught me, molded me, shaped the way I teach, and made
me not only a better teacher, but a FAR better pilot than I ever would
have been had I not been a flight instructor.

There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
are not worthy of the certificate.
Dudley Henriques

One of the best reasons to be a CFI is the people you get to meet.
There sure is a variety of 'em!

I cannot claim to have gotten on well or even have been able to teach
well every student that I have flown with. I remember one guy in
particular who simply was obsessed with a dispute he had with my
employer -- constantly running him down and threatening all kinds of
action from writing to Cessna and Textron (in which he claimed to be on
the board) to legal action. After three flights of that I simply told
him that I was a loyal employee, that I liked my employer and
considered him to be a personal friend, and that I would feel more
comfortable if he found another instructor working somewhere closer to
his home. I gave him a couple recommendations, one of which he
accepted. Later on I heard from that instructor that this guy was
always going on about what an awful instructor I was and how he was
glad he had dumped me and how he was going to report me to the FAA,
which he claimed he knew several people personally. So I guess you
can't please everybody. And some people can't be pleased by anybody. :-)

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-06-25 13:52:25 -0700, Dudley Henriques said:

There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
are not worthy of the certificate.
Dudley Henriques

As a CFI you should have the ability to teach a monkey to fly an
airplane. You have confidence if you know you can teach a monkey to fly
an airplane. Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an
airplane. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.

{;-)

Jim

--
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, with chocolate in one hand and wine in
the other, loudly proclaiming 'WOO HOO What a Ride!'"
--Unknown


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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As a CFI you should have the ability to teach a monkey to fly an airplane.
You have confidence if you know you can teach a monkey to fly an airplane.
Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an airplane. :-)

On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" said:

I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.

{;-)

Jim

That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Jun 27, 10:33 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" said:

I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.

{;-)

Jim

That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

CJ
With all due respect, arrogance is what happens with many who can't do
as they say? I, on the other hand, prefer the company of people who
live on the edge, so, if at times I seem haughty and aloof, call it
honest arrogance. I can do everything I claim and refuse to work for
that bunch of clowns who now have taken over the FAA and think they
know what they are doing.
My students walk in the door knowing I'm gonna be tough and demanding.
Even when I chomp big pieces out of their butts, they finish a lesson
knowing what is required and expected of them. The difference between
how I am sitting around having a bite to eat, and how I act in the
cockpit are seperate and distinct. The best part of that is, my
students KNOW what is expected of them and try hard to get an attaboy
from me.
I know I am effective in my individual approach and technique when
students tell others, "If you want to really learn something, fly with
this guy".
Flying is a dangerous business despite the PR hype and crapola and I
take it pretty serious. All you have to do is relax for a moment or
two and you are in the weeds with a bent airplane. One of ours was
bent yesterday with a female student who did what I had been saying
NOT to do and got into a porpoise on landing. The airplane is grounded
with some serious wrinkles. I haven't talked with her yet and am
debating what to say, if anything.
We all have our individual techniques and approaches to life. I prefer
the old style techniques and don't coddle anyone. Isn't that a big
surprise?
Cheers
Soaring Buzzard
World infamous flight instructor/pilot
(should I add, unrepentant?)

Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an airplane. :-)

Humility is realizing that your own CFI succeeded.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On 2007-06-27 09:00:51 -0700, Ol Shy & Bashful said:

On Jun 27, 10:33 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" said:

I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.

{;-)

Jim

That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

CJ
With all due respect, arrogance is what happens with many who can't do
as they say?

I reckon that is as good a definition of arrogance as any. You know
what Dizzy Dean used to say. "It ain't bragging if you done it."

Another definition of arrogance is doing something because simply
because you can, not because you should.

Still another component of arrogance is thinking that if you can, then
others cannot. Related is thinking that because you can do something,
that others who can't do that are less than you.

Arrogance is pride. It makes you constantly compare people to each
other, as if the worth of a man is dependent on your comparisons.
Arrogance tears down instead of building up. Arrogance says that no
matter what other people do, it isn't good enough, but no matter what
you do, no one has the right to criticize it. Arrogance hides mistakes
instead of correcting them. It uses authority to quash criticism
instead of to solve problems. Arrogance hides behind position, using
certificates, awards, and honors as a shield to protect yourself and a
weapon to crush others instead of as tools for learning and teaching.
Arrogance says that the opinions of others are worthless, unless they
happen to agree with you.

Arrogance is obsession with self, the rest be damned.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Jun 27, 11:24 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-27 09:00:51 -0700, Ol Shy & Bashful said:





On Jun 27, 10:33 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-06-27 08:15:40 -0700, "RST Engineering" said:

I did. He now is an ops inspector for the FAA.

{;-)

Jim

That is a high price to pay for arrogance. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

CJ
With all due respect, arrogance is what happens with many who can't do
as they say?

I reckon that is as good a definition of arrogance as any. You know
what Dizzy Dean used to say. "It ain't bragging if you done it."

Another definition of arrogance is doing something because simply
because you can, not because you should.

Still another component of arrogance is thinking that if you can, then
others cannot. Related is thinking that because you can do something,
that others who can't do that are less than you.

Arrogance is pride. It makes you constantly compare people to each
other, as if the worth of a man is dependent on your comparisons.
Arrogance tears down instead of building up. Arrogance says that no
matter what other people do, it isn't good enough, but no matter what
you do, no one has the right to criticize it. Arrogance hides mistakes
instead of correcting them. It uses authority to quash criticism
instead of to solve problems. Arrogance hides behind position, using
certificates, awards, and honors as a shield to protect yourself and a
weapon to crush others instead of as tools for learning and teaching.
Arrogance says that the opinions of others are worthless, unless they
happen to agree with you.

Arrogance is obsession with self, the rest be damned.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor- Hide quoted text -

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CJ
Not a bad definition!

In article 2007062707545011272-christophercampbell@hotmailcom,
C J Campbell wrote:

On 2007-06-25 13:52:25 -0700, Dudley Henriques said:

There is no room in aviation for arrogance. There is however, a slim
line between confidence, ability, and arrogance. The CFI who knows the
difference between these things is a flight instructor. Those who don't
are not worthy of the certificate.
Dudley Henriques

As a CFI you should have the ability to teach a monkey to fly an
airplane. You have confidence if you know you can teach a monkey to fly
an airplane. Arrogance is actually trying to teach a monkey to fly an
airplane. :-)

Nah. Arrogance is signing the monkey off for the checkride :-)