US Coverup of Me-262 Mach Flight

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Some reports suggest it did.


Examined and proven false years ago.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:13:01 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38 would
have made this "record" in 1941.

Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever exceeded
the speed of sound in any attitude.

Some reports suggest it did. It had the streamlining and terminal
velocity characteristics to manage it, if the pilot could deal with the
compressibility problems. But the claims are, to say the least, iffy.

Impossible. Since the prop goes supersonic long before the aircraft,
the pressure rise won't allow it. At high sub-sonic speeds propellers
make remarkable air brakes.

If any WWII fighter was least likely to get near Mach 1, it was the P-38
with its 0.68 critical Mach.

My regards,

Widewing (C.C. Jordan)
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(Corey C. Jordan) wrote:

If any WWII fighter was least likely to get near Mach 1, it was the P-38
with its 0.68 critical Mach.

And as any truthful RAF Sea Vixen driver would attest, not to mention
the P-38's relatively dirty twin boom design.

-Mike Marron

I suspect that a problem would have been the accuracy of the
pitot-static system to indicate supersonic flight. I don't think that
any of the prop planes mentioned had a flight-test-type boom stuck out
ahead of the fuselage, prop, wings, etc., not to mention any position
error corrections for transonic flight. In other words, these aircraft
may have gone supersonic, but there was no way to know.

Jim Thomas

Chad Irby wrote:

In article . net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Chad Irby" wrote in message
m...

Putting a plane into a 40 degree dive doesn't count, or the P-38 would
have made this "record" in 1941.

Supersonic flight in a dive would have counted, but no P-38 ever exceeded
the speed of sound in any attitude.


Some reports suggest it did. It had the streamlining and terminal
velocity characteristics to manage it, if the pilot could deal with the
compressibility problems. But the claims are, to say the least, iffy.

They have about the same provenence as the Me-262 claim in the first
post, though, so they don't count. And if the Me-262 counts, they
should too.

I suspect that a problem would have been the accuracy of the
pitot-static system to indicate supersonic flight.

The only indicator of a supersonic flight that Mutke had was a tingling in his
balls. No person on the ground reported a sonic boom, no aircraft was logged as
damaged during an inflight event by his unit on the date Mutke claims, etc.,
etc., etc. I have no doubt he went fast that day, but supersonic?? NO.

I don't think that
any of the prop planes mentioned had a flight-test-type boom stuck out
ahead of the fuselage, prop, wings, etc., not to mention any position
error corrections for transonic flight.

Same with Mutke's vanilla Me 262 fighter - no onboard instrumentation that
could have determined if transonic flight were actually occurring.

In other words, these aircraft
may have gone supersonic, but there was no way to know.

In the case of the 262, it was somewhat easier to tell, since its intakes and
rounded nose preclude any such supersonic event.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

Someday the real history of Mach flight will be revealed as well as
the German disc aircraft programs of the Third Reich

I ask again, what disc aircraft program? What are your sources?

If you are thinking of the "Flying Pankcake" that was a Vought aircraft built
ins the U.S. and actually flew.

Take a look at the website you cited and you will also find denials of the
existance of gas chambers, murder of Jews..etc which makes tens of thousands
of Germans, Soviets, French, U.S., British etc military and civil personnel all
liars and I am not referring to Jewish personnel. Amazing how everyone is out
to blame the poor, innocent Nazis for the murder of 6 million Jews and 6
million non jews.

Tell you what, make a website stating the human race didn't exist before 100
years ago and you will have loonies crawling out from under the same rocks as
the Holocaust deniers like you came from.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired