For those still insisting that France has always been our friend...

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics (I
know its hard to beleive but with a worse attitude). The French are
silenced by the prevailing multicrapism ideology and frightened of
dealing in the world as a proud and independant nation. The Ghost of
Americas future perhaps?

Well, the Hispanics are mostly Roman Catholic

Still, your point is worth taking. While American Muslims are far from
being the homogeneous group you'll find in France (I presume they're
most Algerian-French, or at least with ties to North Africa),

North African: either Arab or Black.

Islam
has indeed made remarkable gains in the U.S. In part this is because
of the Black Muslim movement of the 1960s. Many if not a majority of
U.S. Muslims are African-American, and of those, many if not a
majority were baptized as children. It will be interesting to see how
this plays out.

Black American Islam is odd (judged by middle eastern norms) and in
some of its forms would be considered herectical in the middle east,
not that the Black American muslims are concerned with that
disapproval. They are afterall americans by ethnicity.

The situation is not as France in which there are possibly 14 million
muslims of Nth African/Arab decent (someting equivalen to raical
privacy laws prevents proper data). Most of the S11 attackers were
based in France at one point.



The U.S. of course has had considerable experience with diverse
populations--that's how the country was fashioned.




And we don't have a
situation where 90 percent of the population is of European origin and
10 percent North African / Muslim. California is already a state
without a majority ethnic group. The U.S. as a whole will get there
eventually.

Unless Astlan, the mexian superstate some chicano supremacist promote
splits the nation. Hispanics are tollerated a high degree of ethnic
indentity that American Whites are not. You migh think its remote but
its a demograpahic possibility.

Indeed, if the "melting pot" hadn't worked so well in
earlier generations, we would have been there almost from the
beginning. Both my parents were born in Ireland. I have no relatives
in the U.S. except my immediate family. I hold Irish and American
passports and citizenship. My only child is married to an Englishman;
my granddaughters hold British and American passports. Yet I feel
perfectly at home here.

There are of parts of the country where you can not function without
speaking spannish and will need to travel an hour before you can rely
on finding english.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/G...20031014.shtml
Looking for America in Chicago
Herbert London

Eurpeans consist of approximetly 50 ethnicticy, relatively diverse
they are united by much in common. Indo-Germanics may as well be
called Celto-Germanics as they hold much in common linguistically and
in the structure of their pre-christian religions.

America was built on the same ethnies that were indigenous to Europe
though it started as a predominatly Nth Eruopean one. There was an
suddently influx of Italians during the revolution there and Irish
during the famine. Just more europeans though in some cases a
tempororay problem. The Irish for instance were often poor because
they could not speak English and were illiterate in both languages.
(nothing like strets of NY) It was a social problem that would go
away and had little to do with prejudice.

Some of the problems the US has now are not going away: such as racial
set asides for even new immigrant Hispanics. There is obviously a
limited capacity to pay for this.

Between 1925 to 1965 the immigraion restriction act limited immigraion
to (300,000?) and in proportiin to the ethnic ratios present then in
the US population.

Ending it didn't help Black men. They were then 85% to 90% employed
and cheaper Hispanic labour has replaced them so now their emplyment
levels are 50%. Americas jails are the fuller for it probably. So
much for the civil rights act.

"Diverse" America may work but consider that it may not stack up well
against the more homogenous chinese who are unburdened by economicaly
and educationaly sub-averge groups. It may work but your children and
grandchildren may not be all that well of within it. Its not all beer
and skittles as your son in law migh say.



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From: bernxard@yah

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a poster from
France can explain the situation.
Hispanics in the US are integrating at a fairly rapid pace, some much faster
than others (the term covering so many national origins). A couple of
examples: More than half of all Hispanics are in white collar jobs (up from 35%
in 1980). English reading scores, out of a possible 500, the Hispanic
immigrant in the US less than 5 years scores 156. Hispanic immigrant in
country more than 10 years, 270. National average for all Americans, 282.
There are tons of these data for Hispanic and other immigrants to the US, all
showing rapid assimilation.
There is also some recent data indicating that the influx of Hispanics into the
US may have already passed its peak, or will do so shortly. And PBS
commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our first
"Hispanic" president.


Chris Mark

On 27 Oct 2003 16:54:25 GMT, ost (Chris Mark) wrote:

From: bernxard@yah

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a poster from
France can explain the situation.
Hispanics in the US are integrating at a fairly rapid pace, some much faster
than others (the term covering so many national origins). A couple of
examples: More than half of all Hispanics are in white collar jobs (up from 35%
in 1980). English reading scores, out of a possible 500, the Hispanic
immigrant in the US less than 5 years scores 156. Hispanic immigrant in
country more than 10 years, 270. National average for all Americans, 282.
There are tons of these data for Hispanic and other immigrants to the US, all
showing rapid assimilation.
There is also some recent data indicating that the influx of Hispanics into the
US may have already passed its peak, or will do so shortly. And PBS
commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our first
"Hispanic" president.

Umm, that explains only that Hispanics in America are integrating.

Where was the comment or anything on French Muslims in there?

Chris Mark wrote :

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's
Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a
poster from France can explain the situation.

Not bad compared to English ones calling for jihad and more 09/11 in
Finsburry Park Mosque ...

ost (Chris Mark) wrote in message ...
From: bernxard@yah

Yep, about 10% of France is now Muslim, they are France's Hispanics

How well are Muslims integrating into French life? Perhaps a poster from
France can explain the situation.


Not well since my last trip there. My friend got pick pocjeted by a
group of 4+ in my presence. We need Charles Martell to sort this one
out IMOP


Hispanics in the US are integrating at a fairly rapid pace, some much faster
than others (the term covering so many national origins). A couple of
examples: More than half of all Hispanics are in white collar jobs
(up from 35% in 1980). English reading scores, out of a possible 500,
the Hispanic immigrant in the US less than 5 years scores 156.
Hispanic immigrant in country more than 10 years, 270. National average for all Americans, 282.

There are tons of these data for Hispanic and other immigrants to the US, all
showing rapid assimilation.

The US averge for English is appaling: pulled down by a very low black
rate so "282" is hardly likely to be impressive. Since Blacks test
for IQ at 85 and SECOND generation Hispanics only marignally better at
92 we are actualy seeing either a dysgenic effect an certainly a
lowering of education and cognitive abillity.

Very wide gaps between blacks and hispanics at one end of the scale
(getting worse and widening after a tiny improvement) and Whites are
very apparent.

There is some data and links to this he
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/no_excuses.htm

Whole regions of the US now have crap english and crap spannish as
some are even illiterat in their own tongue.


There is also some recent data indicating that the influx of Hispanics into the
US may have already passed its peak, or will do so shortly.


I'd call that a deluded pipe dream and the Birth rate is still
enormous.

And PBS

PBS? Pfffft

commentator Richard Rodriguez has announced that George W. Bush is our first
"Hispanic" president.


Pfffft. Yep Bush is a bit of a pandering Quisling in that regard.
Isn't Jeb married to a Hispanic?

How to talk about race in the meocon Republican party. Don't.



Chris Mark

"The Enlightenment" a écrit dans le message de
om...

snip

And you call yourself "Enlightment"?... Ironic... I especially like your
"what is REALLY going on" part...

Ironically it was Jean Marie Le Penn who could have snip

Nice reference... I don't know if you have a field of expertise but it's
obviously not French politics... Do you know that Le Pen (with one "N") was
the *only* French politician who did support SH (he actually met him in 96)?
This man is a convicted racist and he and his kind are among the *worst*
things Europe has ever produced. Sorry to see it's been exported as far as
Australia (?)...
The extreme right in Europe has a long record of hatred towards the United
States and generally speaking against Liberals of any kind, one of their
motto being "neither trust nor soviet".

I have no doubt there are extremist muslims in France, like in every Western
country, but if you really want to find dangerous people expressing their
hatred in daylight I suggest you leave Paris and just cross the Channel.
Ever heard of "Londonistan"? Ever heard of "Bin London"? Ever heard of the
press conference that was held a few weeks ago withn dozens of journalists
to honor the "martyrdom" of the 9/11 terrorists? Ever heard of the Finsburry
Park mosque?...

ArVa

"tscottme" a écrit dans le message de
...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=6976


Still as ridiculous as it was when I read it earlier this spring... It's no
better than the usual anti-American stuff (of wich one could find dozen of
links and yet prove nothing...). Indeed jerks have been very productive
this year...

Now, if you actually believe what this article says (given your sig, it
might be the case), then my friend you have a big problem with reality
perception... Sentences such as "[French politicians, all of them,] regard
Western civilization as something filthy and abhorrent" or "[France] is now
the leader of the Arab/Muslim world" are nothing but ludicrous... When I
read that piece a few months ago, I didn't know that "Guy" and made some
search about him. If you could read French and see the other articles he has
written, you'd see how unsound his ideas are. Ann Coulter you seem to
appreciate (so do I but obviously not for her ideas...) sounds like Jane
Fonda compared to him... :-)

Strange BTW to see how you can't stand an article showing that despite the
clash between our respective administrations there is still cooperation
between our countries (and not only on military matters as a matter of
fact), and therefore how you feel compelled to reply with crap to attenuate
this idea...

ArVa