Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Tenerife was in part a failure to apply CRM - an arrogant captain
overruled the doubts of his first officer about whether the runway was
clear, when the obvious thing would have been to check.

Other than "don't do that," and the utility of ground radar was anything
learned?

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Tenerife was in part a failure to apply CRM - an arrogant captain
overruled the doubts of his first officer about whether the runway was
clear, when the obvious thing would have been to check.

Other than "don't do that," and the utility of ground radar was anything
learned?

"The primary safety message drawn from the accident was the
urgent need to improve communication between aircraft and
Tower. Such communications lagged far behind the fail-safe
principle applied to other aspects of aviation. Radio
communication, as it existed at Los Rodeos Airport on the
day of the accident, was not fail-safe.

Operational measures recommended for immediate adoption as a
short term improvement included:

* The use of concise and unambiguous terminology.

* Avoiding the expression "takeoff' in airways clearances.

* Allowing a distinct time interval between the
transmission of an airways clearance and a takeoff clearance.

These recommendations were referred to the Air Navigation
Commission of the International Civil Aviation Organization
(ICAO) for study."

Air Disaster Vol 1 Mac Job ISBN 1 875671 11 0

Sylvia Else wrote:
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media? I
would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Tenerife was in part a failure to apply CRM - an arrogant captain
overruled the doubts of his first officer about whether the runway was
clear, when the obvious thing would have been to check.

Other than "don't do that," and the utility of ground radar was anything
learned?

That the tower crew shouldn't be listening
to a soccer playoff while working?

"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
...
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media?

Yes - it is a perfect example of US myopia.

I would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where Tenerife
is.

John

John Ewing wrote:
"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
...
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007
The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media?

Yes - it is a perfect example of US myopia.

I would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where Tenerife
is.

Quite unfair John.

Last I heard Bush was planning to bomb the Canary Islands to
halt the spread of bird flu.

Yes - it is a perfect example of US myopia.

I would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where Tenerife
is.

You don't need to know where Tenerife is, as long as you know what happened
there, and why it was significant...

I would think you could at least double the list, and still be missing some
very important disasters/near disasters that have had large effect on
aviation.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message ...
I would think you could at least double the list, and still be missing some very important disasters/near disasters
that have had large effect on aviation.
--
Jim in NC


You do have to consider the source. PM is a fairly good magazine, but it is a little enquirer-like...

"Blueskies" wrote

You do have to consider the source. PM is a fairly good magazine, but it
is a little enquirer-like...

I buy it once in a while, so I can get a good laugh. At it, and there are
no joke pages, unless you consider all of the articles. g
--
Jim in NC

"Craig Welch" wrote in message
...
"Morgans" said:

Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where
Tenerife
is.

You don't need to know where Tenerife is, as long as you know what
happened
there, and why it was significant...

Huh? I find it hard to understand someone who, when faced with a
place the location of which was unknown to them, would not look it
up in an atlas.

Possibly the same kinds of people who don't refer to a dictionary
when faced with an unknown word.

Huh? What does 'dictionary' mean?

--
Kwyj.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:02:33 +1000, "John Ewing" none@needed
wrote:


"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
...
Ned wrote in :

Ten Plane Crashes That Changed Aviation
Popular Mechanics David Noland October 13, 2007

The list doesn't mention one single crash that happened outside of
North America. Is that a reflex of the worldview of American media?

Yes - it is a perfect example of US myopia.

I would have thought that the Tenerife disaster made an impact.

Indeed it did. But most US citizens would not have a clue where Tenerife
is.

We did at the time. It was in all the papers.

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