737 thinks it's a DC-10?

On Nov 9, 9:33 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"F. Baum" wrote roups.com:
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As for MXs asertion that you can take off with two engines, he is full
of it as usual.
He wasn't talking about ferrying, he was talking about a V1 cut as far
as I could see.

OOOOps! Sorry about that MX. I should not have said you are full of
it. Some of your posts are actually entertaining.

You can ferry a 727 with one out. My company has done it and I've seen
the Boeing paperwork for it. It's not a big deal in the 72'

Thanks for the update. I always wondered about that so I thought I
would post it here to see if anyone else had a diifferent experience.
At my shop we werent aloud to do this and judging by how much work the
engine out missed was, this would have been alot of fun.
You can also get some twins off on one engine from a standing start!
You just have to introduce power gradually. I've done it in a 757 sim at
210,000 off a 10,000 foot runway. I've been told that it's legal to
ferry a 757 on one engine but I have no credible confirmation of this. I
have no doubt it could be done, though. Why you would want to is beyond
me, though.

Exactly. I have seen a crew doing engine out touch and goes with a
certain turboprop and I have heard you could this with other twins,
but nothing credible from a standing start.
KFB

On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:33:11 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"F. Baum" wrote in
oups.com:

On Nov 8, 4:33 pm, "Morgans" wrote:

I would think that an engine loss would have made a noticeable
difference
in CG, no?
--
Jim in NC

Jim, here again, I cant really say. The 727 had a max landing wieght
of 154500 and the GC shfted aft during flight anyways, but it was
probably still noticable. A big problem with fuselage mounted engines
is that anything that comes off the plane went through the engines
(Ice, frost, chunks of tire etc). Most of the time a catastrophic tire
falure on TO would result in FODing out the 1 or 3 engine.
The AA incident was kinda interesting because it resulted from a
malfunction in the lavitory dump valve that caused blue juice to leak
down the side of the fuselage. Of course this stuff froze up at
altitude and then broke off and went through the #3 engine. The crew
handled it as a engine failure and when they got on the ground ATC
made a comment about losing the #3 engine to which they responded how
ATC would know which engine was shut down. This is when they found out
the engine had departed the aircraft.
As for MXs asertion that you can take off with two engines, he is full
of it as usual. There would not be enough directional control to do
this on most of these jets. The only jet that I know of that could be
ferried with an engine out was the DC8. This required special aircrew
training and it still resulted in a few fatal accidents.Hope this
helps.



He wasn't talking about ferrying, he was talking about a V1 cut as far
as I could see.
You can ferry a 727 with one out. My company has done it and I've seen
the Boeing paperwork for it. It's not a big deal in the 72'
You can also get some twins off on one engine from a standing start!
You just have to introduce power gradually. I've done it in a 757 sim at
210,000 off a 10,000 foot runway. I've been told that it's legal to
ferry a 757 on one engine but I have no credible confirmation of this. I
have no doubt it could be done, though. Why you would want to is beyond
me, though.
I also remember seeing an accident report involving some guy who tried
to get an Apache airborne on one. IIRC it was somewhere in Ohio. He
couldn't get the left one going due cold weather and so decided to try a
windmill start airborne.
Greatest optimist who ever lived.


Bertie


Bertie

You have heard about starting a jet fighter with another jet?

At least one time they lined a good jet just ahead of a bad jet
(F-86's as I remember) and forward bird ran it's engine up and the jet
exhaust down the intake of rear fighter spun the engine up to start
RPM and it was started and both flew away.

Some one may remember where this took place and why it had to be done
(Korea???)

They may have landed some place with no maintenance and used this
procedure to get home vs sending in a repair crew???

Big John

F. Baum writes:

As for MXs asertion that you can take off with two engines, he is full
of it as usual. There would not be enough directional control to do
this on most of these jets.

Boeing occasionally demonstrated the 727 to prospects by taking off and
setting one engine to idle just before rotation. You might want to write to
them and tell them that they were full of it, too.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

F. Baum writes:

As for MXs asertion that you can take off with two engines, he is
full of it as usual. There would not be enough directional control to
do this on most of these jets.

Boeing occasionally demonstrated the 727 to prospects by taking off
and setting one engine to idle just before rotation. You might want
to write to them and tell them that they were full of it, too.





You are an idiot. We used to have to do it in the airplnae for crew
certification.

You have no idea of what you're talking about, fjukkktard.


Bertie

On Nov 9, 10:28 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
F. Baum writes:

Boeing occasionally demonstrated the 727 to prospects by taking off and
setting one engine to idle just before rotation. You might want to write to
them and tell them that they were full of it, too.

This is called a V1 cut and it is done on every sim check on every
crew for every plane flown in the world. The regs require the planes
weight to be limited so the plane can either stop on the remaining
runway if the engine fails before V1 or continue (and climout) if the
engine fails after V1. Go back and read Moores exellent post on the
subject.
KFBaum

Kingfish

Was over Omaha in a T-39 and oil pressure went to zero on starboard
engine, so shut down. I told passengers we were on one and we made a
slow let down direct to COS (Colorado Springs) our destination. Landed
on one and if we hadn't told the passengers they would never have know
we were on single engine.

Mechs found a broken oil line and fixed over night. No damage to
engine since we shut down early.

This trip was my last flights in T-39 and last trip as aircrew in
USAF. Desk then until I retired as only a limited number of pilot
slots available for desk jockies in Hq (

Big John

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:58:35 -0800, Kingfish
wrote:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...htm?csp=Travel

Maybe a broken fuse pin like the one that brought down that El Al 747
in Amsterdam back in '92? I know airline pilots train for power loss
during critical phases of flight, but I wonder how differently the
plane handles after shedding an engine?