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Mike Lindsay wrote:
In article , Ben I've been thinking about this and here is my simple minded non-expert, but merely intuitive explanation. Experts please tell me if I'm all wet. Even though you are tied to the towplane and get pulled along at what looks like from the ground to be the same speed, the glider is actually experiencing a reduced indicated airspeed and a relative wind at a different and unfavorable angle compared to the towplane due to the disturbance to the air from the towplane that the glider is flying through. Check out this picture of what is happening to the air behind an airplane not much bigger than many of our towplanes. Er, yes. I think you have got this a bit wrong. So it looks to me as if the disturbed air is deflected downwards, probably about 20 degrees. Which is what you'd expect from the way a wing works. The plane in the picture was just taking off, not in free air, so not really comparable. As to gaining energy from the upgoing bit of the tugs wingtip vortices, I'll bet you a pizza that the increased drag your rudder would produce to fly in that position would more than compensate for any advantage you'd get. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ortex_edit.jpg It looks like in this wind tunnel picture that the airflow is deflected downward even at quite a distance above the wing. http://www.jefflewis.net/graphics/ai..._P0001845.html It seems like even in high tow you might still be in an airstream that is deflected downward significantly compared to the airstream that the towplane is feeling. I was speculating to myself that with a glider like a 1-26 or 2-33, you don't really notice the problem, since your stall speed is so low relative to the towplane, but when a heavily ballasted glider with a stall speed in the mid to high 40kt range gets towed by a towplane with a stall speed in the low 50kt range, you're starting to get where perhaps that downward component of the airstream that the glider is flying in compared to what the towplane is flying in becomes significant, and the glider may come close to flying in a near stalled condition even though the towplane is still happy as a clam. Has there been any actual scientific wind tunnel data published on the towplane - glider configuration to actually analyze this in a systematic way as opposed to the valuable, yet still anecdotal, opinions expressed so far on the thread? I was wondering if any of the Akafliegs had studied this but couldn't find anything on a Google search. I did see one study by NASA on a 747 towplane - towing a proposed freighter glider but you had to order it, so i didn't read it. On the subject of trying to gain energy from the towplane's wingtip vortices, I saw a video of a goose flying formation with an ultralight trike where the goose was flying just in front of the trike's wing and not flapping at all, getting a free ride from the upward deflected air in front of the wing. Could this be used by advanced students of leeching technology? The other example might be Dr. MacCready's little hand tossed glider you could push along with the air deflected by your hands. Perhaps when getting towed, we have the opposite problem, since we are usually flying in the downwash from both wingtip vortices of the towplane, we lose energy rather than gain it. I was thinking maybe if you hold some bank relative to the towplane, rather than using rudder to get out to the side, and perhaps with a CG hook rather than a nose hook, it might not create as much drag to fly out to the side and get in the upward part of the wingtip vortex and perhaps get a boost. Somebody should do some real scientific tests on this. Is Dick Johnson listening? |
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![]() I was wondering if any of the Akafliegs had studied this but couldn't find anything on a Google search. I did see one study by NASA on a 747 towplane - towing a proposed freighter glider but you had to order it, so i didn't read it. Apologies for the above, I found some pretty relavent links by searching on Formation Flight Aerodyamics, so I'm sure it's all been worked out. But maybe not as well analysed yet for the particular problem of a heavy glider on tow. |
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Ben wrote:
It looks like in this wind tunnel picture that the airflow is deflected downward even at quite a distance above the wing. http://www.jefflewis.net/graphics/ai..._P0001845.html It seems like even in high tow you might still be in an airstream that is deflected downward significantly compared to the airstream that the towplane is feeling. The other thing it shows is that, to keep a normal AOA on tow, you'll be pitched up further than in free gliding flight. If you hit PREV a few times in that sequence there's a nice head-on view of smoke tracing the tip vortex. The top of the vortex slopes slightly down as it travels rearward, so away from the ground there is no significant upward flow behind the top plane's tip as somebody else suggested. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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