Rental Checkride?

Dallas wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 00:21:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It is what I would want to see if I was letting you borrow my plane.

Look what we get used to in this endeavor of ours:

At a Chicago Avis rental counter:

"I'd like to rent a Ford Taurus."

"Fine, I need to see your Driver's Licence and log of every mile you've
ever driven in your lifetime. Then you'll need to rent the car from us for
half a day, at your own expense of course, then drive around while our
manager of driving assurance decides whether or not we want to rent the car
to you. By the way, you'll have to pay the manager of driving assurance
while he evaluates you."

"But, I just rented and put 200 miles on a Ford Taurus in Denver... here's
the paperwork."

"Matters not... Just because you can drive a Ford Taurus in Denver doesn't
mean you can drive one in Chicago."

:-)

I'm goofing here, but would an FAA supplied rental currency form that could
be signed by a CFI stating that you have been checked out and found to be
proficient in a type work? That way you wouldn't need to be checked out
every single time you went to a new FBO.


Doubt it. Pilot proficiency and currency are issues demanding local
verification by each insurance underwriter. Logbooks and paperwork can
easily be cooked. Visual proof of competence satisfies the Insurance people.
Might as well give in Dallas; it's the way the system works. One side
benefit is that once you establish yourself and your competence at a
local operation and they know you and get their airplanes back in one
moving part that works each time you fly it, getting checked out in
other aircraft is a whole lot easier. :-))



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Dudley Henriques

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:01:37 -0500, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Might as well give in Dallas; it's the way the system works.

Oh well, it's only money. (grumble :-)



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Dallas

Dallas wrote:
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:01:37 -0500, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Might as well give in Dallas; it's the way the system works.

Oh well, it's only money. (grumble :-)



I know what you mean. It's getting damn expensive to fly these days.
When I was instructing (general instruction not private aerobatic
tutoring) you could walk in cold off the street, announce you wanted to
rent one of our 172's or Cherokees, fly with me for a half hour on the
Hobbs, hopefully learn at least one new thing in the process :-) and get
checked out to go off on your own for about 50 bucks.

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Dudley Henriques

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:43:42 -0500, Dudley Henriques wrote:

checked out to go off on your own for about 50 bucks.

Yup... nowadays that 50 bucks is what it costs the FBO for just the fuel.


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Dallas

"I'd like to rent a Ford Taurus."

"Fine, I need to see your Driver's Licence and log of every mile...

Would you lend your plane to a stranger, based only on his statement
that he flew a lot? That's all a logbook is anyway.

Maybe you'd lend your car out that way, but cars are a little easier to
operate. Flying, on the other hand, involves balancing your craft a
mile above the ground, on nothing more than a blast of air, for hundreds
of miles. This means many things, including that the condition of the
air is much more important than driving (i.e. weather, altitude), the
number of serious things that can go wrong is increased, the number of
options when they do go wrong is decreased (you can't just pull over and
call AAA), and the condition and mindset of the operator is more important.

Add to that the fact that most rental pilots have flown fewer hours in a
lifetime than a teenager has driven before he turns 21.

Jose
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Dallas wrote in
:

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 00:21:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It is what I would want to see if I was letting you borrow my plane.

Look what we get used to in this endeavor of ours:

At a Chicago Avis rental counter:

"I'd like to rent a Ford Taurus."

"Fine, I need to see your Driver's Licence and log of every mile
you've ever driven in your lifetime. Then you'll need to rent the car
from us for half a day, at your own expense of course, then drive
around while our manager of driving assurance decides whether or not
we want to rent the car to you. By the way, you'll have to pay the
manager of driving assurance while he evaluates you."

"But, I just rented and put 200 miles on a Ford Taurus in Denver...
here's the paperwork."

"Matters not... Just because you can drive a Ford Taurus in Denver
doesn't mean you can drive one in Chicago."

:-)

I'm goofing here, but would an FAA supplied rental currency form that
could be signed by a CFI stating that you have been checked out and
found to be proficient in a type work? That way you wouldn't need to
be checked out every single time you went to a new FBO.


I wouldn't honor it, anyway.

Bertie

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:43:42 -0500, Dudley Henriques wrote:

checked out to go off on your own for about 50 bucks.

Yup... nowadays that 50 bucks is what it costs the FBO for just the fuel.

Nah, that's not correct.

50 bucks is what it takes for the FBO to _start_ the fuel truck to fill up
the plane! g
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Dallas wrote:
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:01:37 -0500, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Might as well give in Dallas; it's the way the system works.
Oh well, it's only money. (grumble :-)



I know what you mean. It's getting damn expensive to fly these days.
When I was instructing (general instruction not private aerobatic
tutoring) you could walk in cold off the street, announce you wanted to
rent one of our 172's or Cherokees, fly with me for a half hour on the
Hobbs, hopefully learn at least one new thing in the process :-) and get
checked out to go off on your own for about 50 bucks.



"These days" fine. . .
But I recall an experience a couple decades ago - before I had a
certificate myself. I went with a friend to a local airport to rent a C-150
for some sightseeing. My friend was at the time an American Airlines first
officer on Shorts 360, operating daily out of JFK - no matter, I waited on
the ramp for the better part of two hours while they put her through every
possible manoeuver - I think they had her doing wing-walking routines up
there before they were willing to let her take the plane up. By the time
they were done with her its was almost getting dark. We paid much more for
the checkride than for the pleasure flight we had planned on. . .

No Offense here but being current in one aircraft is absolutely no
indication at all of competence in another. In fact, some of the most
extensive checkouts I ever had to give were for active airline pilots
seeking to rent Cessna 150's.
This doesn't mean these pilots were incompetent. It simply means that
handling light airplanes after handling large heavy airplanes sometimes
needs a bit of "refreshment dual :-)"
On the other hand, there certainly were FBO's out there when I was
active that could be unnecessarily profit oriented when doing checkouts.
I will say that in my entire career as a check pilot I never flew with a
pilot coming out of major big iron that needed any longer than an hour
to let loose.
Sorry you ran into a profit mill :-))

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Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques schrieb:

I know what you mean. It's getting damn expensive to fly these days.
When I was instructing (general instruction not private aerobatic
tutoring) you could walk in cold off the street, announce you wanted to
rent one of our 172's or Cherokees, fly with me for a half hour on the
Hobbs, hopefully learn at least one new thing in the process :-) and get
checked out to go off on your own for about 50 bucks.

Kind of reminds me of my grandfather who always told us how cheap a
bottle of beer had been when he was 20.

Stefan wrote:
Dudley Henriques schrieb:

I know what you mean. It's getting damn expensive to fly these days.
When I was instructing (general instruction not private aerobatic
tutoring) you could walk in cold off the street, announce you wanted
to rent one of our 172's or Cherokees, fly with me for a half hour on
the Hobbs, hopefully learn at least one new thing in the process :-)
and get checked out to go off on your own for about 50 bucks.

Kind of reminds me of my grandfather who always told us how cheap a
bottle of beer had been when he was 20.

Hey, you're lucky!! I COULD have told you how we walked to school both
ways in the snow!
:-)))

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Dudley Henriques