Russian Navy going back to the Med

"Tiger" wrote in message
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Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear bomber
back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force treaties; this guy
is worth keeping a eye on.


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Russian navy to start sorties in Mediterranean

By Guy FaulconbridgeWed Dec 5, 4:16 PM ET

Russia said on Wednesday it would start the first major navy sortie into
the Mediterranean since Soviet times, the latest move by an increasingly
assertive Moscow to demonstrate its military might.

"The aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence in tactically
important regions of the world ocean," Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov
told President Vladimir Putin, who wished the sailors well. The rest of
the meeting was closed.

Serdyukov said 11 ships, including an aircraft carrier, would take part in
the sortie and be backed up by 47 aircraft -- including strategic bombers.

Buoyed by huge oil revenues, Russia under Putin has been boosting military
spending while at the same time using diplomacy to broaden Moscow's
influence.

Earlier this year Putin announced that long-range strategic bombers would
resume patrols around the world and Russia's long-range nuclear forces
have test-fired new missiles.

But analysts say the navy, once the focus of national pride and symbol of
the Soviet Union's military might, is still reeling from more than a
decade of underfunding.

A series of accidents -- such as the sinking of the Kursk nuclear
submarine in 2000 -- have hurt the Russian navy's reputation at home and
abroad.

Serdyukov said the navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Admiral
Kuznetsov, and anti-submarine ships had set out for the Mediterranean on
Wednesday from the Northern Fleet's base in Severomorsk, in the Arctic
Circle.

Black Sea fleet ships and aircraft support would meet them in the
Mediterranean. He said military exercises would be held during the sorties
and that the group would visit six foreign states. He did not name them.

He also said Northern Fleet would make sorties into the northern Atlantic.

Russia has long been talking about reviving a permanent naval base in the
Mediterranean. During the Cold War, the Soviet navy had a permanent
presence on the Mediterranean, using the Syrian port of Tartus as a supply
point.

(Editing by Elizabeth Piper)

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So how many ships did they get somewhat seaworthy this year, over four?



Jim E



Jim E

"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
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On Dec 6, 3:57 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote in message

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On Dec 6, 12:01 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

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Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military
power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear
bomber back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force
treaties;
this guy is worth keeping a eye on.

it was trying to keep up militarily last time that bankrupted the
old
union.
people aren't going to like being in long lines again for goods
because
the
military is soaking up all the assets of the state.

That's right. Just ask the American poor.

american poor are better off than canadian poor

Well, thats ignorant, as 100% of Canadian poor people HAVE full
Medical
Insurance... 100% of US poor folks do NOT.

So, you're wrong. Deal with it.

and american indians are better off than frostback indians

Lewis Black well explained that USians who proclaim that theirs is
the greatest nation on Earth, *without* even having left it once,
are...

idiots.

Andre

But we Americans get to keep a wee bit of our income.
We do not donate 80% to the socialists to feed and clothe the worthless.


Jim E

On Dec 8, 2:44 am, "Jim Ignorant" splattered:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message

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On Dec 6, 3:57 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Mr.Smartypants" wrote in message

...

On Dec 6, 12:01 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Tiger" wrote in message

...

Putin now with his sham election is finished is back to military
power
moves. In the context of Arms sales to US foes like Chavez, Bear
bomber back in the air, and talk of ending conventional force
treaties; this guy is worth keeping a eye on.

it was trying to keep up militarily last time that bankrupted the
old union.
people aren't going to like being in long lines again for goods
because the military is soaking up all the assets of the state.

That's right. Just ask the American poor.

american poor are better off than canadian poor

Well, thats ignorant, as 100% of Canadian poor people HAVE full
Medical Insurance... 100% of US poor folks do NOT.

So, you're wrong. Deal with it.

and american indians are better off than frostback indians

Lewis Black well explained that USians who proclaim that theirs is
the greatest nation on Earth, *without* even having left it once,
are...

idiots.

Andre

But we Americans get to keep a wee bit of our income.

After you pay your taxes AND your medical outlays, you keep LESS
than Canadians do...

We do not donate 80% to the socialists to feed and clothe the worthless.

No, you let thieves steal 80% and give it to multinationals...

Hows that workin' for ya ? Canada has a budget SURPLUS, a POSITIVE
balance of trade, medical care for ALL, and a SHRINKING debt.

Match our credentials, ace.

Andre

"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
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On Dec 8, 2:44 am, "Jim Ignorant" splattered:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
Hows that workin' for ya ? Canada has a budget SURPLUS, a POSITIVE
balance of trade, medical care for ALL, and a SHRINKING debt.

Match our credentials, ace.

Nothing is forever. We had virtually the same thing nine years ago. If the
globe is really warming, for example, you're going to need an air force and
a navy of considerably greater proportions than you have now. Unless, of
course, you ask for help, which we will be glad to provide even though we
may have a budget deficit, negative balance of trade, partial medical care,
and an increasing debt. What are friends for, after all?

Don H.

On Dec 9, 3:11 am, "Don Harstad" wrote:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message

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On Dec 8, 2:44 am, "Jim Ignorant" splattered:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
Hows that workin' for ya ? Canada has a budget SURPLUS, a POSITIVE
balance of trade, medical care for ALL, and a SHRINKING debt.

Match our credentials, ace.

Nothing is forever. We had virtually the same thing nine years ago.

Not the positive balance of trade, nor the medical care for ALL.

Try again.

If the
globe is really warming, for example, you're going to need an air force and
a navy of considerably greater proportions than you have now.

Why ? Is the US preparing to aggressively invade more places ?
It should stop doing that, as it's reputation is crap because of it.

Unless, of
course, you ask for help, which we will be glad to provide even though we
may have a budget deficit, negative balance of trade, partial medical care,
and an increasing debt. What are friends for, after all?

Oh, I don't know, lets ask that again, AFTER the US returns the $5
BILLION that it STOLE in violation of NAFTA and FTA... See " softwood
lumber "...

The modern US: A nation NOT to be trusted.

Andre

"Andre Lieven" wrote in message
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On Dec 7, 5:57 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

and the other season, July

The winter of 2006-07 was so mild that there was not a flake of
snow on the ground in Ottawa.

Go, global warming ! g

Horse feathers, Andre. It was a mild winter but, trust me, it snowed. We did,
however, have a green Christmas and New Year's Day. The skateway on the Rideau
did not open till mid-January. This winter has been refreshingly cool. Camp
Fortune opened its first ski run in November, and I suspect the skateway will
open before New Year's. We already have a foot of snow on the ground that
looks set to stay and Sawmill Creek has frozen over for the first time in
yonks.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
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On Dec 9, 1:19 pm, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message

...

On Dec 7, 5:57 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

and the other season, July

The winter of 2006-07 was so mild that there was not a flake of
snow on the ground in Ottawa.

Go, global warming ! g

Horse feathers, Andre. It was a mild winter but, trust me, it snowed. We did,
however, have a green Christmas and New Year's Day.

My bad, that sentence of mine was supposed to end with "...at
Christmas. "

Ocasionally, Google groups eats a word, here or there...

The skateway on the Rideau
did not open till mid-January. This winter has been refreshingly cool. Camp
Fortune opened its first ski run in November, and I suspect the skateway will
open before New Year's. We already have a foot of snow on the ground that
looks set to stay and Sawmill Creek has frozen over for the first time in
yonks.

I know, and thats why I'm with my wife, who rather prefers Florida at
this
time of year. I may need to fly back next month, to do some business,
and
keep the house in shape, along with reloading VCRs, and so on.

But, prior to this year, the last hard winter that we've had in Ottawa
was
the one in '93-'94, with the Boxing Day kicking off a record breaking
cold
snap that didn't end until mid Jan 1994.

Since then, not so much. Even the Ottawa Citizen daily newspaper,
last year, published an article on " are we turning into winter
weenies ? "
But, El Ninio has other plans now...

Andre

On Dec 9, 1:19 pm, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote:
"Andre Lieven" wrote in message

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On Dec 7, 5:57 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

and the other season, July

The winter of 2006-07 was so mild that there was not a flake of
snow on the ground in Ottawa.

Go, global warming ! g

Horse feathers, Andre. It was a mild winter but, trust me, it snowed. We did,
however, have a green Christmas and New Year's Day. The skateway on the Rideau
did not open till mid-January. This winter has been refreshingly cool. Camp
Fortune opened its first ski run in November, and I suspect the skateway will
open before New Year's. We already have a foot of snow on the ground that
looks set to stay and Sawmill Creek has frozen over for the first time in
yonks.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

The New York Times has a list of 53 places to go in 2008, Number 35
is

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The 53 places to go in 2008
Northwest Passage

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Trekking in Nunavut, in the eastern section of the Northwest
Territories.)

Notwithstanding last month's sinking of an Antarctic cruise ship,
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than the Northwest Passage, the Arctic sea route over Canada.
Adventure Life Voyages, for one, is already booking cruises for its
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On Dec 10, 8:28 am, Jack Linthicum
wrote:
On Dec 9, 1:19 pm, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote:



"Andre Lieven" wrote in message

...

On Dec 7, 5:57 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Dec 7, 5:53 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:35 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

wrote:
I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The only thing wrong with Canada is the winters.

Casady

and the other season, July

The winter of 2006-07 was so mild that there was not a flake of
snow on the ground in Ottawa.

Go, global warming ! g

Horse feathers, Andre. It was a mild winter but, trust me, it snowed. We did,
however, have a green Christmas and New Year's Day. The skateway on the Rideau
did not open till mid-January. This winter has been refreshingly cool. Camp
Fortune opened its first ski run in November, and I suspect the skateway will
open before New Year's. We already have a foot of snow on the ground that
looks set to stay and Sawmill Creek has frozen over for the first time in
yonks.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

The New York Times has a list of 53 places to go in 2008, Number 35
is

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/travel/20...C.html?ref=tra...

The 53 places to go in 2008
Northwest Passage

How about the Pacific?
We're enduring 25-28C at the moment and absolutely no chance of snow
where I am :-)

Andre Lieven writes:

On Dec 6, 10:48 pm, Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Andre Lieven writes:
Lewis Black well explained that USians who proclaim that theirs is
the greatest nation on Earth, *without* even having left it once,
are...

idiots.

And that goes pretty much for any nation. Some of course have to be
right, though, even if they don't know it! :-)

Thats true, though which other nations do it so routinely as the US ?

I cna recall a couple of years that a UN survey said that Canada was
the number one nation in the world to live in, most Canadian's
response
was closer to polite embarrassment than braddagio.

The Ozzies I know when told that Oz is the best to be, simply shrug
and say "We know that, mate. We just don't tell everyone else 'cause
we want to keep it for ourselves". :-)
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