Mid-Air over the Everglades

Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two
pilots presumed dead after their small planes collided and
crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more
people involved in the Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

GetErDone wrote in :

Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two
pilots presumed dead after their small planes collided and
crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more
people involved in the Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html



What, no trying to blame it on a minority?



You;'re slipping.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
GetErDone wrote in :

Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two
pilots presumed dead after their small planes collided and
crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more
people involved in the Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

What, no trying to blame it on a minority?

You;'re slipping.

Bertie

Aargh, you beat me by a lousy nine minutes.

Are you sure your PC's clock is set right?

"John Mazor" wrote in newsl_6j.3034$0O1.470
@trnddc05:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
GetErDone wrote in :

Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two
pilots presumed dead after their small planes collided and
crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more
people involved in the Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

What, no trying to blame it on a minority?

You;'re slipping.

Bertie

Aargh, you beat me by a lousy nine minutes.

Are you sure your PC's clock is set right?



Nope. In fact, I'm sure it's not!

Bertie

"GetErDone" wrote in message ...
Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two pilots presumed dead
after their small planes collided and crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more people involved in the
Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

So what's taking you so long to post your thoughts here or to the story's blog? You
know, your usual rant - blame the accident on the FAA having gone into the toilet
because of political correctness that has lead to blacks and women running the show
now.

Cripes, it's been more than 24 hours since it happened. What are you waiting for?
It can't be that you want actual facts since that never has gotten in your way in the
past.

John Mazor wrote:
"GetErDone" wrote in message ...
Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two pilots presumed dead
after their small planes collided and crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more people involved in the
Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

So what's taking you so long to post your thoughts here or to the story's blog? You
know, your usual rant - blame the accident on the FAA having gone into the toilet
because of political correctness that has lead to blacks and women running the show
now.

Cripes, it's been more than 24 hours since it happened. What are you waiting for?
It can't be that you want actual facts since that never has gotten in your way in the
past.




There is no proof this accident had anything to do with the
FAA or the FAILED Aviation Administration filling their
ranks with women and minority's.

However, as a reminder, you can check out this link. Click
the Department of Transportation(Ranked near the bottom
also) and look at the 2007 FAA scores. Pathetic? Sad? For an
organization tasked with millions of lives each day YES very
sad.

The FAA IS in the toilet. The data proves it. Is it the
exclusive fault of minority and women FAA management?

http://bestplacestowork.org/BPTW/rankings/

Well, BEFORE women and "Kissing the Black ASS" and
mushrooming civil rights empires and diversity empire waste
seized control of the once proud Failed Aviation
Administration, the FAA was one of the most respected and
top Government employers in Federal Government service

Now it is at the bottom. It has achieved that "Bottom of the
barrel HR score" AFTER two FEMALES(Both unqualified neither
could fly a plane or do anything)were at the FAA helm since 1992

You tell me Mr. Wizard?

What is the problem at the Failed Aviation Administration now?

You guys hammer me continuously because I violate
politically correct protocol but when it comes to facts and
faults you have no answer. I just provided FACTS the FAA is
in the toilet. The FAA workforce tells us that in the above
and below link. You tell me why it ranked so low or is it
easier to call me a goober and racist and obfuscate reality?

Maybe the FAA mess is due to TERRIBLE decisions within the
FAA to place UNQUALIFIED women and minorities into FAA
management who have no decent aviation qualifications?

Maybe?

I am listening for your FACTS and rebuttal.(Don't blame it
on Bush that is a cop out). Here is another link to a blog
written by FAA controllers. You tell me. Am I wrong?

http://themainbang.typepad.com/

STOP Kissing the Black ASS
FAA CIVIL RIGHTS SCAM



A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged
individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial
group identities.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to
combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the
heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by passing more
laws and regulations.

It is the federal government that MOST divides us by race,
class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive
regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and
welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in
determining who succeeds and who fails. Government
"benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill by
institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group
suspicious that others are receiving more of the government
loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset
that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than
as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who
share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as
collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By
encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the
advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having
a limited, constitutional government devoted to the
protection of individual rights rather than group claims.
Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards
individual achievement and competence - not skin color,
gender, or ethnicity.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as
an individual, rather than developing a group or victim
mentality. This leads to a sense of individual
responsibility and personal pride, making skin color
irrelevant. Racism will endure until we stop thinking in
terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual
liberty.

The emperor has no clothes

GetErDone wrote in :

John Mazor wrote:
"GetErDone" wrote in message
...
Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two pilots
presumed dead after their small planes collided and crashed into the
Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more people
involved in the Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

So what's taking you so long to post your thoughts here or to the
story's blog? You know, your usual rant - blame the accident on the
FAA having gone into the toilet because of political correctness that
has lead to blacks and women running the show now.

Cripes, it's been more than 24 hours since it happened. What are you
waiting for? It can't be that you want actual facts since that never
has gotten in your way in the past.




There is no proof this accident had anything to do with the
FAA or the FAILED Aviation Administration filling their
ranks with women and minority's.

And yet you said it anyway.




Bertie

"GetErDone" wrote in message ...
John Mazor wrote:
"GetErDone" wrote in message
...
Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two pilots presumed dead
after their small planes collided and crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more people involved in the
Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

So what's taking you so long to post your thoughts here or to the story's blog?
You know, your usual rant - blame the accident on the FAA having gone into the
toilet because of political correctness that has lead to blacks and women running
the show now.

Cripes, it's been more than 24 hours since it happened. What are you waiting for?
It can't be that you want actual facts since that never has gotten in your way in
the past.

There is no proof this accident had anything to do with the FAA or the FAILED
Aviation Administration filling their ranks with women and minority's.

However, as a reminder, you can check out this link. Click the Department of
Transportation(Ranked near the bottom also) and look at the 2007 FAA scores.
Pathetic? Sad? For an organization tasked with millions of lives each day YES very
sad.

The FAA IS in the toilet. The data proves it. Is it the exclusive fault of minority
and women FAA management?

http://bestplacestowork.org/BPTW/rankings/

Well, BEFORE women and "Kissing the Black ASS" and mushrooming civil rights empires
and diversity empire waste seized control of the once proud Failed Aviation
Administration, the FAA was one of the most respected and top Government employers
in Federal Government service

Now it is at the bottom. It has achieved that "Bottom of the barrel HR score" AFTER
two FEMALES(Both unqualified neither could fly a plane or do anything)were at the
FAA helm since 1992

You tell me Mr. Wizard?

What is the problem at the Failed Aviation Administration now?

You guys hammer me continuously because I violate politically correct protocol but
when it comes to facts and faults you have no answer. I just provided FACTS the FAA
is in the toilet. The FAA workforce tells us that in the above and below link. You
tell me why it ranked so low or is it easier to call me a goober and racist and
obfuscate reality?

Maybe the FAA mess is due to TERRIBLE decisions within the FAA to place UNQUALIFIED
women and minorities into FAA management who have no decent aviation
qualifications?

Maybe?

I am listening for your FACTS and rebuttal.(Don't blame it on Bush that is a cop
out). Here is another link to a blog written by FAA controllers. You tell me. Am I
wrong?

http://themainbang.typepad.com/

STOP Kissing the Black ASS
FAA CIVIL RIGHTS SCAM



A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become
uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry
at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by
passing more laws and regulations.

It is the federal government that MOST divides us by race, class, religion, and
gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial
set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in
determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine
goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious
that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and
hostility among us.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans
strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all
individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as
collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to
adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate
racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited,
constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather
than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual
achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather
than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual
responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure
until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual
liberty.

The emperor has no clothes

"GetErDone" wrote in message ...
John Mazor wrote:
"GetErDone" wrote in message
...
Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two pilots presumed dead
after their small planes collided and crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more people involved in the
Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

So what's taking you so long to post your thoughts here or to the story's blog?
You know, your usual rant - blame the accident on the FAA having gone into the
toilet because of political correctness that has lead to blacks and women running
the show now.

Cripes, it's been more than 24 hours since it happened. What are you waiting for?
It can't be that you want actual facts since that never has gotten in your way in
the past.


There is no proof this accident had anything to do with the FAA or the FAILED
Aviation Administration filling their ranks with women and minority's.

However, as a reminder, you can check out this link. Click the Department of
Transportation(Ranked near the bottom also) and look at the 2007 FAA scores.
Pathetic? Sad? For an organization tasked with millions of lives each day YES very
sad.

The FAA IS in the toilet. The data proves it. Is it the exclusive fault of minority
and women FAA management?

http://bestplacestowork.org/BPTW/rankings/

Well, BEFORE women and "Kissing the Black ASS" and mushrooming civil rights empires
and diversity empire waste seized control of the once proud Failed Aviation
Administration, the FAA was one of the most respected and top Government employers
in Federal Government service

Now it is at the bottom. It has achieved that "Bottom of the barrel HR score" AFTER
two FEMALES(Both unqualified neither could fly a plane or do anything)were at the
FAA helm since 1992

You tell me Mr. Wizard?

What is the problem at the Failed Aviation Administration now?

You guys hammer me continuously because I violate politically correct protocol but
when it comes to facts and faults you have no answer. I just provided FACTS the FAA
is in the toilet. The FAA workforce tells us that in the above and below link. You
tell me why it ranked so low or is it easier to call me a goober and racist and
obfuscate reality?

Maybe the FAA mess is due to TERRIBLE decisions within the FAA to place UNQUALIFIED
women and minorities into FAA management who have no decent aviation
qualifications?

Maybe?

I am listening for your FACTS and rebuttal.(Don't blame it on Bush that is a cop
out). Here is another link to a blog written by FAA controllers. You tell me. Am I
wrong?

http://themainbang.typepad.com/

STOP Kissing the Black ASS
FAA CIVIL RIGHTS SCAM



A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become
uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry
at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by
passing more laws and regulations.

It is the federal government that MOST divides us by race, class, religion, and
gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial
set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in
determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine
goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious
that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and
hostility among us.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans
strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all
individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as
collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to
adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate
racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited,
constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather
than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual
achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather
than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual
responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure
until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual
liberty.

The emperor has no clothes

"GetErDone" wrote in message ...
John Mazor wrote:
"GetErDone" wrote in message
...
Rescue crews continued Sunday searching for bodies of two pilots presumed dead
after their small planes collided and crashed into the Everglades.

Authorities were trying to determine if there were more people involved in the
Saturday afternoon crash.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea...ry/337460.html

So what's taking you so long to post your thoughts here or to the story's blog?
You know, your usual rant - blame the accident on the FAA having gone into the
toilet because of political correctness that has lead to blacks and women running
the show now.

Cripes, it's been more than 24 hours since it happened. What are you waiting for?
It can't be that you want actual facts since that never has gotten in your way in
the past.

There is no proof this accident had anything to do with the FAA or the FAILED
Aviation Administration filling their ranks with women and minority's.

Lack of proof of cause doesn't inhibit your racist/sexist rantings, so why stop here?

However, as a reminder, you can check out this link. Click the Department of
Transportation(Ranked near the bottom also) and look at the 2007 FAA scores.
Pathetic? Sad? For an organization tasked with millions of lives each day YES very
sad.

The FAA IS in the toilet. The data proves it. Is it the exclusive fault of minority
and women FAA management?

http://bestplacestowork.org/BPTW/rankings/

Department of Homeland Security ranks lower than DOT. I suspect that the FAMs are
even lower than that. Do you think that's because they're overrun by PC black female
incompetents? Hardly.

All the rankings prove is that their workers are unhappy campers. That's a fact.
Your expanation for this finding is not factual but an opinion based on supposition
from a racist/sexist bigot.

The rankings are meaningless to your opinion unless you can provide factual
documentation that the ratings were consistently high until there was a significant
decline after the first female Administrator took office. Got any facts to prove
that? 1979 would be an interesting baseline year for to start with, going
year-to-year to the present.

Even if that did happen, logic tells us that correlation does not constitute proof of
cause. Some old-line bureaucrats at FAA (as exemplified by Langhorne Bond) were
extremely unhappy when FAA started using pro-active, non-punitive approaches to
improving safety such as ASRS. The only way they knew to regulate safety was to
violate pilots. They resented what they perceived as "PC pampering" encroaching on
their power and regulatory role. Those types still are there, doubtlessly
contributing to the lower scores. FAA also has had to do more with less, a sure
recipe for worker dissatisfaction. And of course, the ongoing labor war with
controllers guarantees lower satisfaction ratings.

Well, BEFORE women and "Kissing the Black ASS" and mushrooming civil rights empires
and diversity empire waste seized control of the once proud Failed Aviation
Administration, the FAA was one of the most respected and top Government employers
in Federal Government service

Got facts?

You guys hammer me continuously because I violate politically correct protocol

Nope. Excessive PC in the workplace exists and can produce equally unfair results.
We hammer you because you ignore Occam's Razor - you don't need a weak, convoluted
bigot's theory to explain what can easily be explained by other very common, very
obvious causes. Conspiracy theorists on accidents and 9/11 get the same treatment
here for the same reasons.

but when it comes to facts and faults you have no answer. I just provided FACTS the
FAA is in the toilet.

In the opinion of its workers, who aren't exactly neutral given current conditions.

The FAA workforce tells us that in the above and below link. You tell me why it
ranked so low or is it easier to call me a goober and racist and obfuscate reality?

You're a racist goober because it's far easier to explain it through a number of
conditions and events that have nothing to do with race or gender.

Maybe the FAA mess is due to TERRIBLE decisions within the FAA to place UNQUALIFIED
women and minorities into FAA management who have no decent aviation
qualifications?

Using the low bar you have set for opinion masquerading as fact, maybe it's global
warming. There's a really good correlation to be found there. Maybe it's El Nino or
sunspots or video games.

I am listening for your FACTS and rebuttal.

We're waiting for your factual proof of your opinion that workpace morale is
principally (or even significantly) the direct result of PC actions.

(Don't blame it on Bush that is a cop out).

Some would note that many of FAA's problems that are causing decline in morale go
back decades - which means that they started long before your putative timeline.
However, one of your colleagues disagrees on Bush's role - see below.

Here is another link to a blog written by FAA controllers. You tell me. Am I wrong?

http://themainbang.typepad.com/

I saw a lot of legitimate complaining about bad management and policies - none of
which requires your sexist/racist "explanation". I saw criticism of Blakey but it
was the same kind of comments that are leveled at top brass regardless of race or
gender. What I didn't see was anyone attributing these problems to blacks and women
as a class because of PC.

BTW, at least one poster disagrees with you: "Let's see...the Bush Administration
completely destroyed our nation's national airspace system" - ya think that might be
contributing to dissatisfaction at FAA?

STOP Kissing the Black ASS

Stop expecting us to kiss yours when you're a bigot pretending that you have facts on
your side.

A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become
uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

And here you reveal your real motives.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry
at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by
passing more laws and regulations.

We can't change the hearts of robbers, rapists and murderers either. What we can do
is pass laws and regulations that make such behavior illegal. Ditto for racism and
sexism and any other unacceptable behavior.

It is the federal government that MOST divides us by race, class, religion, and
gender.

And of course, your racist/sexist rants do nothing to divide and polarize.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans
strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals.

The fact that you have that mindset is exactly what makes you a racist and sexist..

Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics
are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.

More pot - kettle.

By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called
"diversity" actually perpetuate racism.

So the only thing stopping you from abandoning your white male group identity, moving
to the ghetto, working as a janitor for a black female boss, and having your sister
marry a lesbian is the evil government's diversity programs? Wow, what a guy!

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited,
constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather
than group claims.

Individual rights aren't the source of the problem. The problem is *group claims*
(most notably, white males) of racial and sexual superiority over other groups
(non-whites, women, etc.) that creates the need to protect minorities against
group-think abuses by majorities.

Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and
competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

But prejudice against skin color, gender and ethnicity routinely inhibits
individuals' ability to attain fair rewards for achievement and competence. Just
because some attempts to establish a fair balance go too far in the other direction
does not invalidate the concept of trying to enforce a level playing field.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather
than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual
responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant.

No, that only happens in a utopian society. History shows that the ugly reality is
different and must be counterbalanced, even if the results cannot ever be perfect.