Sims

In that case you are in the wrong group, so do us all a favor and get the
hell out.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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gatt writes:

Microsoft Flight Simulator will never replace actual flight instruction
and
produce a safe pilot.

That doesn't matter, if the objective is not to become a pilot. And MSFS
remains useful as one tool among many for those who wish to become pilots,
or
who already are.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

gatt writes:

Microsoft Flight Simulator will never replace actual flight
instruction and produce a safe pilot.

That doesn't matter, if the objective is not to become a pilot. And
MSFS remains useful as one tool among many for those who wish to
become pilots, or who already are.



It isn't, fjukkwit.


Bertie

Consider it done. My instructor is currently out of state, and so I'm
between lessons. I don't "learn" much by simming, but I can practice what
I've learned (to an extent nearly beaten to death here).

There one real advantage to simming. I have had two attitude gyros die on
me, so far under bright VFR conditions. I set the sim for random instrument
and radio failures during my approach. That keeps your cross check honest.
It just isn't the same to slap a suction cup over an instrument. (I also
don't have those nagging worries about whether the guy who towed the plane
to the maintenance hangar exceeded the nosewheel turning angles, and whether
that new noise I hear is the nosegear falling off.)

I also use simming to anticipate new flights. If I am going to a new and
complicated airport, I will set the time of day and weather to my
anticipated arrival, and sim a few landings. This has proven to be an
excellent tool to use in addition to traditional flight planning.

I find the sim to be much more difficult to, er, "manipulate" (I dare not
say "fly" after reading the past posts) than the airplane.

Simming will never replicate the sheer exhilaration of controlling a machine
as it leaves the earth below and returns, but the other day watching the
snow out the window and the very same thing on the screen, I was truly
struck by how well an inexpensive program, with a few little additions, can
simulate the mechanical motions flying requires.


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Just do me a favor will you please? Don't go out and try to fly IFR with
all that "no instructor or safety pilot needed" simulator time in your log
book without getting some of that "instructor and safety pilot needed"
stuff as well.
Don't EVER be misled into believing that what you can do and what you see
on MSFS will replace the actual experience needed to safely fly the
airplane.
It's nice to enjoy MSFS, and God only knows I have even reviewed it for
its role in real world aviation and found it has many a useful purpose,
but MSFS will NEVER replace actual flight instruction and produce a safe
pilot, especially a safe instrument pilot.


--
Dudley Henriques
CFI/MVP2007 MSFS

LWG wrote:
Consider it done. My instructor is currently out of state, and so I'm
between lessons. I don't "learn" much by simming, but I can practice what
I've learned (to an extent nearly beaten to death here).

There one real advantage to simming. I have had two attitude gyros die on
me, so far under bright VFR conditions. I set the sim for random instrument
and radio failures during my approach. That keeps your cross check honest.
It just isn't the same to slap a suction cup over an instrument. (I also
don't have those nagging worries about whether the guy who towed the plane
to the maintenance hangar exceeded the nosewheel turning angles, and whether
that new noise I hear is the nosegear falling off.)

I also use simming to anticipate new flights. If I am going to a new and
complicated airport, I will set the time of day and weather to my
anticipated arrival, and sim a few landings. This has proven to be an
excellent tool to use in addition to traditional flight planning.

I find the sim to be much more difficult to, er, "manipulate" (I dare not
say "fly" after reading the past posts) than the airplane.

Simming will never replicate the sheer exhilaration of controlling a machine
as it leaves the earth below and returns, but the other day watching the
snow out the window and the very same thing on the screen, I was truly
struck by how well an inexpensive program, with a few little additions, can
simulate the mechanical motions flying requires.


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...

Just do me a favor will you please? Don't go out and try to fly IFR with
all that "no instructor or safety pilot needed" simulator time in your log
book without getting some of that "instructor and safety pilot needed"
stuff as well.
Don't EVER be misled into believing that what you can do and what you see
on MSFS will replace the actual experience needed to safely fly the
airplane.
It's nice to enjoy MSFS, and God only knows I have even reviewed it for
its role in real world aviation and found it has many a useful purpose,
but MSFS will NEVER replace actual flight instruction and produce a safe
pilot, especially a safe instrument pilot.


--
Dudley Henriques
CFI/MVP2007 MSFS



You're right, MSFS has definite uses in the training program if used
correctly and carte blanche for specific things. It sounds to me like
you have a very good handle on where the sim can be used to some advantage.
I've actually reviewed MSFS as a training tool for real world flight
instructors for ASA. You can catch that review at www.simflight.com.
Just search "Dudley Henriques" and you should find it.
Lots of luck with your training. Sounds like you're in fine shape there.
DH
--
Dudley Henriques

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:17:38 -0500, LWG wrote:

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX

It important to not hate PC flight simulators just because of MX.

We can argue over their value as training tools, but I bet most would agree
that as entertainment, they can be a hell of a lot of fun.


--
Dallas

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"Dallas" wrote in message
...
...
We can argue over their value as training tools, but I bet most would
agree
that as entertainment, they can be a hell of a lot of fun.


I play with Condor Soaring http://www.condorsoaring.com/

--
Geoff
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Dallas wrote in
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:17:38 -0500, LWG wrote:

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX

It important to not hate PC flight simulators just because of MX.

We can argue over their value as training tools, but I bet most would
agree that as entertainment, they can be a hell of a lot of fun.



Oh yeah. You can fly under bridges inverted, al that stuff, but their value
in this situation is severely limited.

Bertie

LWG writes:

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one of the
more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the family room,
in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument ticket. Ove the years I
have collected the CH yoke and footpedals. I have downloaded a flight model
and graphics for my Sundowner. I was looking out the window at the snow
falling, and I set the sim to real world weather. Damn if the screen didn't
look exactly like the weather outside, and I was once again looking at my
panel. The ATC simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the
"runway." I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under
the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a
nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.

That's only the tip of the iceberg. If you'd like to enjoy simming even more,
consider:

1. Getting an add-on payware aircraft that matches whatever you enjoy flying
in real life (or whatever you'd like to fly in real life). Companies like
Dreamfleet, PMDG, and Level-D offer hyperrealistic simulations of a great many
large and small aircraft that are so accurate that it's almost like flying a
brand-new (and superior) simulator.

2. Use ActiveSky for weather. The simulations are so accurate that it's hard
to distinguish them from real life.

3. Join VATSIM, and you can fly on a network with other human pilots and human
air traffic controllers, with real ATC instead of the computer-generated kind
(which isn't bad, but is very inflexible and predictable).

Desktop simulation is especially nice for IFR, for obvious reasons, and it can
give you useful practice in IFR and in navigation techniques. Using add-ons
and VATSIM allows you to fly commercial routes with terminal procedures (SIDs
and STARs and IAPs) and live ATC support, which the default sim does not.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

LWG writes:

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one
of the more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the
family room, in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument
ticket. Ove the years I have collected the CH yoke and footpedals.
I have downloaded a flight model and graphics for my Sundowner. I
was looking out the window at the snow falling, and I set the sim to
real world weather. Damn if the screen didn't look exactly like the
weather outside, and I was once again looking at my panel. The ATC
simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the "runway." I
got vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under the
hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a
nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.

That's only the tip of the iceberg. If you'd like to enjoy simming
even more, consider:

1. Getting an add-on payware aircraft that matches whatever you enjoy
flying in real life (or whatever you'd like to fly in real life).
Companies like Dreamfleet, PMDG, and Level-D offer hyperrealistic
simulations of a great many large and small aircraft that are so
accurate that it's almost like flying a brand-new (and superior)
simulator.

2. Use ActiveSky for weather. The simulations are so accurate that
it's hard to distinguish them from real life.



You wouldn;'t know real life if it blew you.



Bertie

"LWG" wrote in message
. ..
Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one of
the more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the family
room, in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument ticket. Ove the
years I have collected the CH yoke and footpedals. I have downloaded a
flight model and graphics for my Sundowner. I was looking out the window
at the snow falling, and I set the sim to real world weather. Damn if the
screen didn't look exactly like the weather outside, and I was once again
looking at my panel. The ATC simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went
down the "runway." I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I
fly under the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for
about a nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot
needed.

How dare you! Enjoyment! And at this time of year!

Peter
a/k/a Ebby (Scrooge)