Plane "sharing" experience?

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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" wrote:
Four people in a Cherokee 140? Are you serious?


And how many JATO bottles are used during this takeoff?

Two diet coke bottles with Menthos thrown in


Good Golly Dewd, don't you know anything? Diet Vernors is way better
for this than Diet Coke. :-)

You learn something new in usenet every day.

But I don't think the plan was to have all the owners in the plane at
the same time...

Used to do 135 in a cherokee 180 out of a very short strip and it would get
anything out of there you could stuff inside of it!
Not a very pleasant airplane to fly, but they are sturdy and they do go
well.


Bertie

Apparently you haven't flown a 140.

My 140 (and Steve's) require the same take-off roll as a warrior II.

Yep, a 140 that is light on fuel will easily haul four adults.

It helps if they are double-amputees in the back seat, but it'll do
the job in a pinch.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
I know some guys who did just this, but they were all going right
through and getting all their ratings ( excluding multi) on the one
airplane. It worked out well for them and they figured they saved a
fortune.

That could work once they have their private pilot tickets. Insurance
companies do an antler dance when you mention *student pilot*
solos...insurance on a plane owned by a group of people hoping to get
their *private pilot* licenses in it would likely be very high *if* they
could find a company to do it.

Jose wrote:
It also has the advantage of having the
wing on the proper side of the fuselage...

The outside?

Jose

I think I remember this answer given when a novice game photographer in
Africa asked the Game Warden at the Kenya Preserve;

"From which side sir, is the best from which to approach a lion?"

--
Dudley Henriques

On Dec 16, 2:03 pm, " wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:42 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:



Suggestions as to appropriate "training" aircraft (beyond the Cessna 150 /
172) would also be appreciated.

A Cherokee 140 is an excellent and inexpensive trainer that can (in a
pinch) carry four people. It also has the advantage of having the
wing on the proper side of the fuselage...

;-)

Additionally, would it be wise to contract a single CFI to do our
instruction? At approximately 50 hours per pupil, they could log a lot of
time. Maybe we could get a small discount?

Sounds like a good idea -- if you can keep everyone in line and on
schedule.

If you can keep a bunch of student pilots focused and organized,
you've got two great opportunities to save money. In my experience,
however, organizing pilots is a lot like herding cats, so you'll have
your work cut out for you...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Four people in a Cherokee 140? Are you serious?

Is this a flight school for ants?

A Cherokee 140 will take off at full gross (2150 lbs) and clear a 50'
obstacle in 1800' of paved runway. I've had mine loaded with four
people at full gross weight and it flies just perfectly fine.

Just make sure they aren't all 250+lb lardasses.

My Cherokee 140 has a useful load of 810 pounds.
And BTW, it may be going up for sale again soon so I might be able to
resume my dream of building an RV-7.
It's a nice one, with new paint and interior, a new PM3000 stereo
intercom system, and a GPS196.

A good pic of it taken at Oshkosh 2007 is located at:
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/100122.html

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:44:48 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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" wrote:
Four people in a Cherokee 140? Are you serious?

a older 140 can have the useful load to carry four people,
especially when you start with the fuel at the tabs. I've even
seen older 140s that have more useful load than a warrior.
Steve Foley had (has?) one with 872lb useful load.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

And how many JATO bottles are used during this takeoff?

Two diet coke bottles with Menthos thrown in

Bertie
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No. No. No Bertie

If all four have a large helping of beans before take off, should
break ground (wind) with no problem )

Big John

Big John wrote in
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:44:48 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

" wrote in news:5a0b505f-2782-
433f-
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" wrote:
Four people in a Cherokee 140? Are you serious?

a older 140 can have the useful load to carry four people,
especially when you start with the fuel at the tabs. I've even
seen older 140s that have more useful load than a warrior.
Steve Foley had (has?) one with 872lb useful load.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

And how many JATO bottles are used during this takeoff?

Two diet coke bottles with Menthos thrown in

Bertie
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No. No. No Bertie

If all four have a large helping of beans before take off, should
break ground (wind) with no problem )


I knew someone would go there!


Bertie

Thanks for the unexpectedly large response. I could use a few more
recommendations about which models of aircraft are particularly well suited
to being used as a trainer.

Also, I could really use tips on buying and potential sources of good used
aircraft.

Thanks!

Craig

On Dec 20, 7:52 am, wrote:
Thanks for the unexpectedly large response. I could use a few more
recommendations about which models of aircraft are particularly well suited
to being used as a trainer. Also, I could really use tips on buying and potential sources of good used
aircraft. Thanks! Craig

Craig,
Strange as it may sound, there aren't 100's of models to chose from
regarding a trainer. You've ruled out the C 150, 172..so that kind of
leaves the Cherokee and possible one or two others. As for where to
find one, you've got Aerotrader, Ebay, the local FBO corkboard and I
suggest doing a Google for Used Planes.

Not to rain on your parade, but you might want to get a few lessons in
some different planes before you go spending the kind of cash you guys
will need to part with.
Speaking of, have you added up all the costs you will be faced with ie
a tie down, insurance, club set up fees, any immediate repairs your
plane will need, headsets etc......

Doug

"gliderguynj" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 7:52 am, wrote:
Thanks for the unexpectedly large response. I could use a few more
recommendations about which models of aircraft are particularly well
suited
to being used as a trainer. Also, I could really use tips on buying and
potential sources of good used
aircraft. Thanks! Craig

Craig,
Strange as it may sound, there aren't 100's of models to chose from
regarding a trainer. You've ruled out the C 150, 172..so that kind of
leaves the Cherokee and possible one or two others. As for where to

I don't know that I would agree - Champs and Cubs are good basic aircraft -
you could "upgrade" to a Citabria... I learned in a Cessna 120. The Yankee
was designed as a trainer. What about a Stinson? Maul? Luscombe?

Lots of LSA's out there you could use for training.

What about homebuilts? No reason you have to use a certified aircraft for
training if you own it yourself - my brother's son learned to fly in a T-18
(probably not considered by most to be a "trainer" but his first hour of
official "dual instruction" was in a Pitts S2).

Wouldn't it be a blast to learn to fly in a Stearman (insurance might be a
problem, eh?)?

Look beyond the ramp of the local FBO - consider what you might want to fly
after you get the ticket (my dad learned to fly in a Navion) - if your
"trainer" turns out to be a real nice running sweatheart, some of you might
want to hang on to it - if not, unload it.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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