RAF?

The child of two Americans, born overseas, does not automatically have
American citizenship. He must spend three? years in the U.S. before
his 21st? birthday in order to nail it down.

Wrong!!! The child of Americans born abroad is automatically a US citizen.
All the parents need do is apply for a certificate at the embassy. My
daughter, born in Germany has one, signed by the Sec of State George
Schultz.

The law regarding US nationality by children born abroad to one or
two US citizen parents has changed several times over the years
and the exact law that applies will depend on when the person
was born, whether one or both parents are US citizens, and
whether the parents are married at the time of the birth.
The current laws can be found on the State Department
website at http://travel.state.gov/acquisition.html

As a child of US citizens she could not claim German citizenship, the rules
in other countries vary.

Unless you or your wife was a German citizen, your daughter would
not have had any claim to German citizenship. Until recently,
Germany did not confer citizenship based on birth in Germany.
You were German if you had a German parent. Birth in Germany
played no part in equation. Germany has recently allowed children
born in Germany to long term residents to have German citizenship.

However if one parent were a third country national, the child could claim
dual citizenship and decide later.

Keep in mind that there is no requirement, by the US, to "decide"
on which citizenship you wish to have. A person with dual US/other
citizenship can keep both citizenships for life, as far as the US is
concerned. The "other" country may or may not have a requirement
to "choose" or "decide", but the US does not.

Stephen Gallagher

Cub Driver wrote:

:the freedom to get a job in another EU country
:applies to the military as well.

: Wow. No wonder the Brits are uneasy about their membership in the
: Community.

: My first reaction was what they would do when thousands of Turks
: turned up at the recruiting office ... then I remembered the Ghurkas.

: (And the Irish.)

Yes, and don't forget what would happen if a Czech or Pole
would show up at the recruitment office and be denied entry.
His countrymen might just think that that's unfair.

: What does the EU say about language requriements for such employment?

I see nothing that objects to the RAF rejecting recruits
on the basis of deficient language skills, or other lack
of ability.

--
Emmanuel Gustin

"Emmanuel.Gustin" wrote in message
...
Cub Driver wrote:

:Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

: It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
: citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I think
: most European countries) take the opposite view.

AFAIK this is the German point of view, but not shared
by most European nations, including Britain. You can be
refused UK citizenship even after a long stay if the law
thinks you're a shady character -- read Muhammed
Al-Fayed -- but one can perfectly be naturalised else.

The RAF can presumably be more strict, although they
probably could be made to accept all EU citizens.
IIRC there has been a ruling by the European court
that the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

--
Emmanuel Gustin


We are currently below strength in the RAF. We have a deficit of just over a
1,000 in the non-commissioned ranks.

TJ

Cub Driver wrote in
:


Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I
think most European countries) take the opposite view.

The child of two Americans, born overseas, does not automatically
have American citizenship. He must spend three? years in the U.S.
before his 21st? birthday in order to nail it down.

Non, as others have noted.

Whether an American citizen passes on American citizenship to a child
born outside the US depends on the *citizen's* residence in the US.
For me, born in the US and having lived in the US most of my life*,
my kid Ethelred is automatically a US citizen no matter where he's
born, let's hypothesize Jimbostan. But if Eggfilth remains in
Jimbostan and never comes to the US, his kids born abroad will *not*
be US citizens at birth, even though they are the children of an
American citizen.

Jim, who notes that you learn all sorts of interesting things when
you marry a foreign Canadian person.

*all of it, if they'd count the times when my dad was stationed in
Germany as US residence

--
Jim Battista
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:47:30 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:


the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

Wow. No wonder the Brits are uneasy about their membership in the
Community.

My first reaction was what they would do when thousands of Turks
turned up at the recruiting office ... then I remembered the Ghurkas.

I read somewhere that in the Korean Conflict the Turkish troops were
regarded by the North Koreans as quite fearsome fighters. To the
extent that the North Koreans would avoid engagement in any area they
knew to have Turkish soldiers.

I haven't read much about Korea, so I don't have any feel for true
this is, though. Perhaps someone else knows?

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On 14 Dec 2003 12:02:21 GMT, Emmanuel.Gustin wrote:
Cub Driver wrote:

:Why the double standard? Why the hipocracy? Why the predjudice?

: It's none of the above. The United States takes the attitude that
: citizenship comes with residence, not bloodline. Britain (and I think
: most European countries) take the opposite view.

AFAIK this is the German point of view,

AIUI you're a bit out of date he people with Turkish ancestry
brought up in Germany now get German citizenship as a matter of
course.

The RAF can presumably be more strict, although they
probably could be made to accept all EU citizens.
IIRC there has been a ruling by the European court
that the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

Not heard of that; got a URL?

--
"It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than
people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:47:30 -0500, Cub Driver wrote:

the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

Wow. No wonder the Brits are uneasy about their membership in the
Community.

My first reaction was what they would do when thousands of Turks
turned up at the recruiting office ... then I remembered the Ghurkas.

(And the Irish.)

What does the EU say about language requriements for such employment?

Nothing AFAIK.

--
"It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than
people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).

On 14 Dec 2003 06:36:17 -0800, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

Keep in mind that there is no requirement, by the US, to "decide"
on which citizenship you wish to have. A person with dual US/other
citizenship can keep both citizenships for life, as far as the US is
concerned. The "other" country may or may not have a requirement
to "choose" or "decide", but the US does not.

I don't think this has always been the case. There was a guy in the
1980s who resigned his British citizenship, so he could get US
citizenship, so he could join the USAF. He was eventually dismissed
from the USAF, and Britain deported him to the USA.

--
"It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than
people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:47:30 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

the freedom to get a job in another EU country
applies to the military as well.

Wow. No wonder the Brits are uneasy about their membership in the
Community.

My first reaction was what they would do when thousands of Turks
turned up at the recruiting office ... then I remembered the Ghurkas.

(And the Irish.)

Freedom of travel and employment and enlistment into British forces
for citizens of Ireland/the Irish republic predates the EU measures by
some margin, going back to the 1922 Anglo-Irish treaty.

Gavin Bailey

For solely bureaucratic reasons, you ask for a
consular birth certificate for an American born abroad.
It makes things a little easier when later applying
for the child's own US passport.

It certainly does make life a bit easier. It heads off the chance the
kid could lose his citizenship.


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