Russian Military Technology

(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 12:30 AM Central

wrote:
and how much Western aid is required for Russia to accomplish all this...?
Never mind - we already know.
Gordon

America tried to steal Mig-15:
http://www.psywarrior.com/Moolah.html

You mean the the aircraft using a cloned Rolls Royce engine? Like the one
flown to South Korea by a North Korean pilot?

America stole Mig-25:
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/...227_pilot.html

You mean the one a Soviet pilot flew to Japan?


Do you know that B-2 and F-117 are based on Russian technology ? They
even said it in the History Channel.

Next time you see that show please note they only used the Russian radiation
scatter data on the F-117.

And the Soviet space shuttle was a cheap knock off of the U.S. Space shuttle.

So, if America technology is so superior why they have tried to buy or
steal Russian equipment.


For the same reason the Soviets were, and the Russians are now, trying to
obtain U.S. weaponry: intelligence gathering.

Shall we talk about the Soviets copying solid state technology?

Shall we discuss the abyssmal safety records of the Soviet nuclear submarines?

How about Chernobyl?

How about stealing the plans for the atomic bomb?

Look, I won't deny the Soviets/Russians haven't come up with technology
superior to the U.S., but they really don't have an edge in anything anymore.

The Soviets were the first to put satellites into orbit, the first to put a man
into space, the first to put a woman into space etc, but their launchers and
capsule technology really hasn't changed since the 1960s.

Now look at the human costs of Soviet/Russian technology. A major lake that is
dying because they reversed the direction of the flow of a river. Rotting
submarines with leaking reactors. Parts of the country where children are still
being born with defects from nuclear and chemical testing. A long delay in
reconstruction after WW2 because Stalin HAD to have the atomic bomb. The list
goes on.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(B2431) wrote:

(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 12:30 AM Central

wrote:
and how much Western aid is required for Russia to accomplish all this...?
Never mind - we already know.
Gordon

America tried to steal Mig-15:
http://www.psywarrior.com/Moolah.html

You mean the the aircraft using a cloned Rolls Royce engine? Like the one
flown to South Korea by a North Korean pilot?


It was Lt No Kum-Sok of the DPRK (aka Dr Kenneth Rowe)

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap42no.htm

http://www.psywarrior.com/Moolah.html


Stay tuned .... for he flies again ....

America tried to steal Mig-15:

Not to copy, but to study. I hope you're intentionally being naive, otherwise
you're a very foolish person..

America stole Mig-25:

Hardly, Belenko defected with one. Once again we wanted it to study, not copy.

America trying to buy Russian S-300 (the Patriot is only for
photograps, it does not work):

PAC III works fine, once again, our interest in Soviet military hardware is to
study how to defeat it, not copy it. When's the last time you saw the Soviets
or Russians produce something and then a very similar copy comes out in the
west? Never. I can't even count the western copied hardware in the Russian
military. Boy that Blackjack sure looks like a B-1B doesn't it?

Do you know that B-2 and F-117 are based on Russian technology ?

I didn't think I could laugh that hard just by reading something. So where's
the Russian Air Force stealth platforms?

So, if America technology is so superior why they have tried to buy or
steal Russian equipment.


To exploit it....wow, you can't be this dense can you?

What is going on with the Space Shuttle ? If it were not for the
Russians the astrounats in the International Space Station would have
died.

Hardly. If it had been life or death, NASA would have resumed shuttle flights
long enough to "rescue" those aboard the ISS. As it is, we don't have to
because of Russias capability to supply the ISS and swap out crews. But
remember the only reason the Russians are able to do this is because of
billions of US dollars and the simple fact that the Soviet Space Shuttle (plans
bought legally from US contractors) was considered dangerous and unreliable and
never flew with any living creatures on board. Doesn't speak much to your
vaunted Russian space industry huh? Oh, by the way, how many Soviets/Russians
have been killed in your space program? Hint, approximately twice what the US
has suffered.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: (BUFDRVR)
snip

Oh, by the way, how many Soviets/Russians
have been killed in your space program? Hint, approximately twice what the US
has suffered.


BUFDRVR

A lot more than twice if you count that li'l rocket (N-1?) that blew up on the
pad. IIRC the death count was in the 60s.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
PAC III works fine, once again, our interest in Soviet military hardware is to
study how to defeat it, not copy it. When's the last time you saw the Soviets
or Russians produce something and then a very similar copy comes out in the
west? Never. I can't even count the western copied hardware in the Russian
military. Boy that Blackjack sure looks like a B-1B doesn't it?


See how "happy" Americans were bad mouthing Tu-160 Blackjack until the
poster in message 58 made a good comparison between them, few messages
later, the "happy" americans gave up. I do not want to repeat the same
conversation, see the results he
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984847/posts

More he http://mustangman5.netfirms.com/rplanes.html
"That's the TU-160 Blackjack. It looks almost identical to the Western
B1A bomber. However, the blackjack is over 25% bigger than the B1A,
and can acheive the same speed, and a higher payload, you have to give
credit for that. The largest of everything is usually Russian"

Happy ?

Magno

Happy ?

Magno


Magno, aren't you due back at the clinic by nightfall...?

On 4 Jan 2004 18:22:29 -0800, (Alejandro
Magno) wrote:

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
PAC III works fine, once again, our interest in Soviet military hardware is to
study how to defeat it, not copy it. When's the last time you saw the Soviets
or Russians produce something and then a very similar copy comes out in the
west? Never. I can't even count the western copied hardware in the Russian
military. Boy that Blackjack sure looks like a B-1B doesn't it?


See how "happy" Americans were bad mouthing Tu-160 Blackjack until the
poster in message 58 made a good comparison between them, few messages
later, the "happy" americans gave up. I do not want to repeat the same
conversation, see the results he
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984847/posts

More he http://mustangman5.netfirms.com/rplanes.html
"That's the TU-160 Blackjack. It looks almost identical to the Western
B1A bomber. However, the blackjack is over 25% bigger than the B1A,
and can acheive the same speed, and a higher payload, you have to give
credit for that. The largest of everything is usually Russian"

Happy ?



You left out the part where they claimed the US copied the Mig-25 when
they designed the F-15. This despite the fact that Mikoyan himself
wanted to start with the A-5 Vigilante (a US design) as a starting
point when designed the Mig-25. And lets not forget the F-108 that
the Mig-25 also resembles.



Here's an even better one:

Speed over a closed circuit of 5000 km with 30000 kg payload : 1054.21
km/h

Date of flight: 17/09/1987
Pilot: H. Brent HEDGPETH (USA)
Crew: Robert A. CHAMBERLAIN (copilot)
Course/place: Palmdale, CA (USA)

Aircraft:
Rockwell B-1B (4 General Electric F 101-GE-102, 14 700 kg each)
Registered 'S/N70'



Speed over a closed circuit of 5000 km with 30000 kg payload : 1017.80
km/h

Date of flight: 28/05/1990
Pilot: Serguei OSSIPOV (USSR)
Crew: D.N. MATVEEV (USSR)
Course/place: Podmoskovnoe Aerodrome (USSR)

Aircraft:
Tupolev Aircraft "70N-304" (Tupolev TU-160 "Blackjack") (4 Model "P",
25 000 kg each)



Hmmm. The Blackjack had lower performance despite it being 25% bigger
and I'm sure they did everything they could to beat the B-1b's record
since the B-1's record already existed.

Happy?

"That's the TU-160 Blackjack. It looks almost identical to the Western
B1A bomber.

Because the design is a direct copy.

However, the blackjack is over 25% bigger than the B1A,
and can acheive the same speed, and a higher payload, you have to give
credit for that.

According to Russian Bear Bomber crews, its mission capability rate is around
25%, and that was in 1995! Can't imagine how bad it is today.

The largest of everything is usually Russian"

Because you're microprocessing capability and aircraft framing material is so
poor, it has to be.

Happy ?

Extremely, your posts always bring a smile to my face.

Magno

Are you sure you're spelling this right? Shouldn't it be M-O-N-G-O ?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 8:22 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
PAC III works fine, once again, our interest in Soviet military hardware is
to
study how to defeat it, not copy it. When's the last time you saw the
Soviets
or Russians produce something and then a very similar copy comes out in the
west? Never. I can't even count the western copied hardware in the Russian
military. Boy that Blackjack sure looks like a B-1B doesn't it?


See how "happy" Americans were bad mouthing Tu-160 Blackjack until the
poster in message 58 made a good comparison between them, few messages
later, the "happy" americans gave up. I do not want to repeat the same
conversation, see the results he
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984847/posts

More he http://mustangman5.netfirms.com/rplanes.html
"That's the TU-160 Blackjack. It looks almost identical to the Western
B1A bomber. However, the blackjack is over 25% bigger than the B1A,
and can acheive the same speed, and a higher payload, you have to give
credit for that. The largest of everything is usually Russian"

Happy ?

Magno


The problem with speaking in absolutes as you have is it only takes one example
ot prove you wrong.

Biggest piston driven bomber = B-36

Biggest suspension bridge = in Japan

Biggest aircraft carrier = U.S. Navy

Geeze, make your point already.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

BUFDRVR wrote:

Do you know that B-2 and F-117 are based on Russian technology ?

I didn't think I could laugh that hard just by reading something. So
where's the Russian Air Force stealth platforms?

There's a small kernel of truth here. The equations used to calculate radar
cross-section (a necessary pre-requisite for reliable stealth design) were
in fact developed by a Russian mathematician. But their value was not
recognized until a Lockheed engineer read the article and realized that they
finally had the computing power (just barely) needed to actually do the
calculations.

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