Cost of IGC approved loggers

On 12 Feb, 10:37, "Bert Willing"
wrote:
What a nonsense, Ian. In the ancient times, people wanting to get a badge
needed to buy a barograph and a camera, and if I recall correctly, they
weren't cheap - typically more expensive than a logger today.
So, what changed is the technology, not the price tag.

Sure, barographs were expensive. Cameras less so - Instamatic 110
cartridge jobs were never up there in Hasselblad range.

But lots of us have mechanical barographs. Thousands and thousands of
us have mechanical barographs. Would it really be so awful to allow us
to keep using them? To a Ventus owner a flight recorder is lost in the
noise. To a Pirat jockey such as myself it's pushing 25% of the value
of the glider.

Ian

On Feb 11, 10:03*am, Nyal Williams
wrote:
Oh?

What about those contest pilots who have lost whole
days because they screwed up using a CFR?

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Key here is "THEY" screwed up. It's rarely a hardware problem. With
turnpoint camera and baro attempts, the film processors can screw you
up, the OO can forget one little mark on the trace that will cost you
a badge, the canopy mark (impossible to verify until the film is
developed) might not show up, or might obscure your picture, the
clockwork mechanism of the baro itself can hang up. On top of that,
you need to calibrate the baro twice as often, and I've had a mis-
marked calibration trace cost me a badge leg too.

On Feb 11, 11:13 pm, "
wrote:
On Feb 12, 6:56 am, Shawn wrote:

mreyes wrote:
I do agree that data loggers are too expensive, however IIRC new
Winter barographs were over $600 even 20 years ago.

About $1100 in current dollars, according tohttp://www.bls.gov/cpi/
(search the page for the word "calculator").

Shawn

So now we need to quit complaining about the cost of "flight
recorders" as we now have officially been "complaining" about it for
ever! Nope, I guess it's not going to happen, I still think they are
too expensive!

Man, I can't wait until April!

Bob

Hey - I just sold a GPS-NAV for $500 and there's one for sale for $550
on ras. What are you complaining about???

Steve

On 13 Feb, 01:12, wrote:
On Feb 11, 10:03 am, Nyal Williams

What about those contest pilots who have lost whole
days because they screwed up using a CFR?

Key here is "THEY" screwed up. It's rarely a hardware problem. With
turnpoint camera and baro attempts, the film processors can screw you
up, the OO can forget one little mark on the trace that will cost you
a badge, the canopy mark (impossible to verify until the film is
developed) might not show up, or might obscure your picture, the
clockwork mechanism of the baro itself can hang up. On top of that,
you need to calibrate the baro twice as often, and I've had a mis-
marked calibration trace cost me a badge leg too.

All good points - and electronics, as we all know, never go wrong. But
that aside, I simply can't see the point of banning older forms of
flight verification (I believe we're losing ground observers as
well).

One answer, of course, is for another authority besides the FAI to
issue badges.

Ian

Ian wrote:
I simply can't see the point of banning older forms of
flight verification (I believe we're losing ground observers as
well).


You understand of course that whatever they may say, they're really
doing it for convenience - *their* convenience.


One answer, of course, is for another authority besides the FAI to
issue badges.


Like that will ever happen.

Tony V.

Ian wrote:

Thousands and thousands of us have mechanical barographs.

I doubt.

On 13 Feb, 15:00, Tony Verhulst wrote:
Ian wrote:

flight verification (I believe we're losing ground observers as
well).

You understand of course that whatever they may say, they're really
doing it for convenience - *their* convenience.

Of course.

One answer, of course, is for another authority besides the FAI to
issue badges.

Like that will ever happen.

Nothing to stop it. And while it's about it, the new badges could be
handicap linked. Silver in 50:1 is just taking the mickey.

Ian

On 13 Feb, 16:03, John Smith wrote:
Ian wrote:
Thousands and thousands of us have mechanical barographs.

I doubt.

We may not use 'em, but we have 'em.

ian

Ian is likely correct....
Thousands have been sold....I know Replogel alone sold "to date" 3010 ...not
many of these flying off the shelves today but I bet 90% of the ones sold
are still out there sitting on someone's shelves
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Ian wrote:

Thousands and thousands of us have mechanical barographs.

I doubt.

On 13 Feb, 17:54, "Tim Mara" wrote:
Ian is likely correct....
Thousands have been sold....I know Replogel alone sold "to date" 3010 ...not
many of these flying off the shelves today but I bet 90% of the ones sold
are still out there sitting on someone's shelves
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com

"John Smith" wrote in message

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Ian wrote:

Thousands and thousands of us have mechanical barographs.

I doubt.