GA Callsigns

On Mar 14, 3:43*pm, "Marco Leon" wrote:
We were always taught to refer to ourselves on the radio with our full
callsigns until ATC refers to us with a shortened callsign (i.e. the last
three characters). However, I've noticed that the majority of the approach
controllers refer to most of the GA aircraft as "November" followed by their
numbers/letters. My question (to controllers in particular) is, do they
prefer us to refer to ourselves thereafter as "November xxxxxx" as well or
do they prefer us to keep with the "Cherokee/Cessna/Mooney..." moniker?

Minor point--I know. *I just like to try and improve at least one thing
after each flight.

Marco

I've seen ultralights operated out of contorlled airports a couple of
times, but have never heard them on the radio. I was on the ground
when they came in.

My question is how would they ID themselves? Would it be along this
line "Tower, this is ultralight 5 miles north, inbound full stop."? I
have a trike, but haven't flown it into controlled space yet. Need to
get a portable raido soon.

Wil

"William Hung" wrote in message
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I've seen ultralights operated out of contorlled airports a couple of
times, but have never heard them on the radio. I was on the ground
when they came in.

My question is how would they ID themselves? Would it be along this
line "Tower, this is ultralight 5 miles north, inbound full stop."? I
have a trike, but haven't flown it into controlled space yet. Need to
get a portable raido soon.


Ask the tower when you phone for prior authorization.

On Mar 15, 3:56*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"William Hung" wrote in message

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I've seen ultralights operated out of contorlled airports a couple of
times, but have never heard them on the radio. *I was on the ground
when they came in.

My question is how would they ID themselves? *Would it be along this
line "Tower, this is ultralight 5 miles north, inbound full stop."? *I
have a trike, but haven't flown it into controlled space yet. *Need to
get a portable raido soon.

Ask the tower when you phone for prior authorization.

If I get the radio, would I stil have to phone first?

Wil

"William Hung" wrote in message
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If I get the radio, would I still have to phone first?


Prior authorization is still required. I suppose you could write, but a
phone call seems so much simpler.


§ 103.17 Operations in certain airspace.

No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class
C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area
of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior
authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.

[Amdt. 103-17, 56 FR 65662, Dec. 17, 1991]

On Mar 15, 4:27*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"William Hung" wrote in message

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If I get the radio, would I still have to phone first?

Prior authorization is still required. *I suppose you could write, but a
phone call seems so much simpler.

§ 103.17 * Operations in certain airspace.

No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class
C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area
of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior
authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace..

[Amdt. 103-17, 56 FR 65662, Dec. 17, 1991]

I'm interpretting the above as "it is OK to call on the radio to get
permission to enter airspace."

Now, how would I ID myself? Would what I've stated above suffice?

"My question is how would they ID themselves? Would it be along
this
line "Tower, this is ultralight 5 miles north, inbound full stop."?
I
have a trike, but haven't flown it into controlled space yet. Need
to
get a portable raido soon."

Thanks,
Wil

Marco Leon wrote:

We were always taught to refer to ourselves on the radio with our full
callsigns until ATC refers to us with a shortened callsign (i.e. the last
three characters). However, I've noticed that the majority of the approach
controllers refer to most of the GA aircraft as "November" followed by their
numbers/letters. My question (to controllers in particular) is, do they
prefer us to refer to ourselves thereafter as "November xxxxxx" as well or
do they prefer us to keep with the "Cherokee/Cessna/Mooney..." moniker?

Minor point--I know. I just like to try and improve at least one thing
after each flight.

Marco


I had a problem on one of my student solo x-country flights. I was in
714NX, a C150. The contoller at one stage was calling for Skyhawk 4NX,
which I was not in, when he was trying to call me, and there is a
Skyhawk 4NX at a nearby airport. The lesson I learn is if you are not
sure then you should ask the contoller.

James.

"William Hung" wrote in message
...

I'm interpretting the above as "it is OK to call on the radio to get
permission to enter airspace."


I think you should alter your interpretation. When a radio call is all that
is needed for permission to enter airspace the regulations state something
like, "Each person must establish two-way radio communications with the ATC
facility (including foreign ATC in the case of foreign airspace designated
in the United States) providing air traffic services prior to entering that
airspace and thereafter maintain those communications while within that
airspace."



Now, how would I ID myself? Would what I've stated above suffice?


As I said previously, just ask ATC when you call for PRIOR authorization.

john smith wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote:
I'm curious to see what the reactions to "Zodiac five five zulu charlie"
will be. There's not much I can replace it with.
What do I tell ATC when they ask what that is? (Aside from "my
airplane", of
course.)

You say EXPERIMENTAL.

No he doesn't It's a factory built LSA.

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:32:02 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:

john smith wrote:
Jay Maynard wrote:
I'm curious to see what the reactions to "Zodiac five five zulu charlie"
will be. There's not much I can replace it with.
What do I tell ATC when they ask what that is? (Aside from "my
airplane", of
course.)

You say EXPERIMENTAL.

No he doesn't It's a factory built LSA.

On the Mythbusters "airplane on a conveyor" episode, the pilot used "Light
Sport" as a call sign (ELSA in this case, but...).

Speaking of myths that should be busted, a lot of folks believe that
Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft are supposed to use "Experimental" as a call
sign.....

Ron Wanttaja

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I prefer that pilots refer to themselves by aircraft name and full
registration less "November"; "Skylark niner eight zero one victor", "Colt
one fower fife tree alpha", "Navion six seven two two bravo", "Seabee two
tree eight sierra charlie", etc.

Even if you refer to them as "November xxxxx?" Or do you always try and call
them by their aircraft type?

Marco