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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Sounds more to me like NASA coming up with another excuse for spending a ton of our tax dollars :-) What I have in mind is a bit more achievable; manuals written so that they don't intimidate the section of the market that doesn't respond positively to an " engineering approach" to ground school, and CFI's who come to realize the value of learning how to project complicated subjects in a manner that makes a housewife as comfortable in the learning process as an engineer. -- Dudley Henriques |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:39:20 -0400, Dudley Henriques
wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Sounds more to me like NASA coming up with another excuse for spending a ton of our tax dollars :-) Given the failure of NASA's Free Flight concept to produce tangible results, I'd have to agree. What I have in mind is a bit more achievable; manuals written so that they don't intimidate the section of the market that doesn't respond positively to an " engineering approach" to ground school, and CFI's who come to realize the value of learning how to project complicated subjects in a manner that makes a housewife as comfortable in the learning process as an engineer. I understand your reasoning for that opinion, but I believe it overlooks a few salient facts. The NAS is, by design, an engineered system. Those who are uncomfortable dealing with the specifics and absolutes of engineering and engineered systems are probably unqualified to operate in that environment, and shouldn't get involved with it. The dedication and commitment required to remain current, and the fundamental change in attitude necessary to responsibly command a flight demand a certain "fire in the belly" toward being an airman. The financial, time commitment, and negative marketing obstacles serve to test that desire, and weed out those would be flight students who lack the required commitment to succeed at becoming a competent pilot, not merely a certificate holder. |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:39:20 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:
manuals written so that they don't intimidate the section of the market that doesn't respond positively to an " engineering approach" to ground school, and CFI's who come to realize the value of learning how to project complicated subjects in a manner that makes a housewife as comfortable in the learning process as an engineer. -- Dudley Henriques How about a few of these multi-billion $$ aircraft mfgs getting education and exposure to the elementary-college level kids and young adults? Where is Cessna, et al with conspicuousness at the local municipal airport, someone you could talk to or ask questions while (always) waiting for your (late) flight, handout a damn brochure FCS? -- Remove numbers for gmail and for God's sake it ain't "gee" either! I hesitate to add to this discussion because I'm not an instructor, just a rather slow student who's not qualified to give advice that might kill someone. |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I have believed for many moons that there exists in General Aviation a totally unnecessary trend toward the macho image for the GA pilot. It's this very self envisioned image that drives away many "average people" who would otherwise give aviation a try. Machado addresses this issue head on with his books. Although not overly simplified, his free wheeling style addresses the flying issues in a manner that tends NOT to intimidate the reader. I personally find great value in this, as it fills a gap in GA that desperately needs to be filled if GA is to progress into the future. I don't think that I have ever seen a hobby, pleasure sport or job field that appears to go out of its way to place barriers, hurdles and hoop-jumping as GA. My novitiate guess is that this must stem from a post-War mentality when pilots were trained and coming into GA ready to fly in gobs. Personally, if not for the cost and convenience justifications (work/travel), as much as I am enjoying my re-entry into to GA, I'd punt this effort in a heartbeat. Nearly everything is an uphill climb. |
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WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: I have believed for many moons that there exists in General Aviation a totally unnecessary trend toward the macho image for the GA pilot. It's this very self envisioned image that drives away many "average people" who would otherwise give aviation a try. Machado addresses this issue head on with his books. Although not overly simplified, his free wheeling style addresses the flying issues in a manner that tends NOT to intimidate the reader. I personally find great value in this, as it fills a gap in GA that desperately needs to be filled if GA is to progress into the future. I don't think that I have ever seen a hobby, pleasure sport or job field that appears to go out of its way to place barriers, hurdles and hoop-jumping as GA. My novitiate guess is that this must stem from a post-War mentality when pilots were trained and coming into GA ready to fly in gobs. There is indeed a "macho mystique" associated with pilots in general that attracts a specific demographic to flying and discourages the rest of a potential market. Not a good business model at all. Personally, if not for the cost and convenience justifications (work/travel), as much as I am enjoying my re-entry into to GA, I'd punt this effort in a heartbeat. Nearly everything is an uphill climb. It's not an easy road for sure :-) -- Dudley Henriques |
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:18:44 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I don't think that I have ever seen a hobby, pleasure sport or job field that appears to go out of its way to place barriers, hurdles and hoop-jumping as GA. My novitiate guess is that this must stem from a post-War mentality when pilots were trained and coming into GA ready to fly in gobs. There is indeed a "macho mystique" associated with pilots in general that attracts a specific demographic to flying and discourages the rest of a potential market. Not a good business model at all. This is a fundamental failure that has to be laid at the feet of the Cessnas of the world. Unless I missed it (surely could have), where is the consolidation of the major mfgs efforts (monies) to promote GA? Not to promote Piper, to promote GA? Competitors in most any underexposed market, when faced with entry level barriers, have found that it is a strong economic model to *first* promote their market (GA); let the competition begin...when there are folks to compete for. |
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
All of these books are good, each in it's own way. ............. I have believed for many moons that there exists in General Aviation a totally unnecessary trend toward the macho image for the GA pilot. That's an interesting observation. I've read Kerschner, the Jepp books and Gleim. In the Jepp's for example, I see strong sections on good aeronautical decision-making. In both chapter 1 and chapter 10, they discuss "Hazardous Attitudes", and list (among others): Anti-authority Invulnerability and Macho. And discuss them in some depth. So at least in the initial training (Chapter 1) this sort of attitude is discouraged. None of my instructors were of the macho sort. Especially the female ones. All of them were professional, patient and supportive. I would never argue that the macho image doesn't exist in GA at all, nor that there aren't macho instructors or even FBO owners. But I've not seen it at a level such that it would act as a barrier to people wanting to learn to fly. I haven't read Machado's book but I read his articles and Q&A sections in the AOPA mags and I like his style very much. So I imagine his book is pretty good. One *can* overdo humor in such a book - some is good but like anything else one can go overboard. Whether Machado has or not I cannot say. As for avoiding highly technical engineering explanations, I see the books trying hard to do that all along. For example, I have observed that in some cases the books simplify to the point of telling you what, but not why. In one case (Jepp - Commercial and Instrument) they will tell you that an increased AOA on a propeller blade results in an increase of the load on the engine..but they don't say why. The best attempt I saw at satisfying the varying complexity level desires of different folks is "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot". There, they gave the lighter version in the text. But if you really wanted the heavy vector math they provided it in the back of the book. G |
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Thought I'd poke my head into this post.... Rod's book is a fine one,,,,
and his Instrument Pilot manual (the version intended to fully prepare an instrument pilot,,, not his first instrument publication which was only intended as a supplement only to other books and training) are books I don't hesitate to recommend. He really hangs a little too long with his water analogy of electricity (i.e., I think at some point he could use his analogy to transition the reader into a working understanding of electrical current). Aside from the latter,,, fine book! It's in my library! ![]() -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil E. Chapman Certificated Flight Instructor Commercial Pilot, ASEL - Instrument Rated Reid-Hillview Airport, San Jose, California Member of: National Association of Flight Instructors (NAFI) Airplane Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) Experimental Pilots Association (EAA) Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... I have just received a copy of Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook Second Edition from the publisher to review. I haven't had a chance to read all of it yet, but just from what I've seen thus far, I have no doubt whatsoever that I will be recommending this book as a study manual to all student pilots. This hard cover top quality heavyweight glossy paper manual is the most well written and comprehensive work I have ever seen done by anyone in the industry. Throughout my career as a CFI I have always used and recommended Bill Kershner's fine manuals, and these are still fine books today. But what Rod has done with his books is absolutely amazing. The presentation is not only accurate, but done with the "average person" and "everyday pilot" in mind. Rod takes the most complicated of issues and presents them intelligently and with a splash of humor that is unbelievably educational. The drawings and graphics are exceptional. I can't stress enough my positive opinion of this book. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
Thought I'd poke my head into this post.... Rod's book is a fine one,,,, and his Instrument Pilot manual (the version intended to fully prepare an instrument pilot,,, not his first instrument publication which was only intended as a supplement only to other books and training) are books I don't hesitate to recommend. He really hangs a little too long with his water analogy of electricity (i.e., I think at some point he could use his analogy to transition the reader into a working understanding of electrical current). Ohm my!! Watt did you say? Shocking; simply shocking!! :-)) Explaining electricity to the layman can indeed be a true test of one's ability to improvise with explanation. Even today, after years of dealing with this wonder of science, I STILL find electricity fascinating and interesting. The water analogy has been around a while for sure. Personally I prefer the pool balls in the pipe :-)) -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote: Thought I'd poke my head into this post.... Rod's book is a fine one,,,, and his Instrument Pilot manual (the version intended to fully prepare an instrument pilot,,, not his first instrument publication which was only intended as a supplement only to other books and training) are books I don't hesitate to recommend. He really hangs a little too long with his water analogy of electricity (i.e., I think at some point he could use his analogy to transition the reader into a working understanding of electrical current). Ohm my!! Watt did you say? Shocking; simply shocking!! :-)) Explaining electricity to the layman can indeed be a true test of one's ability to improvise with explanation. Even today, after years of dealing with this wonder of science, I STILL find electricity fascinating and interesting. The water analogy has been around a while for sure. Personally I prefer the pool balls in the pipe :-)) Funny, Ron tells stories of when he and a friend were in firefighting training (both EE's) and after a while they looked at each other and jokingly said "hey, it's just like electricity!". Margy |
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